Re: Terry and Westwood : Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:46 pm  

ArthurClues wrote:

If England win the World Cup JT can parade naked around Wembley with it.

Whatever gets you through the night, Arthur.

It's a long walk from Old Trafford though

Re: Terry and Westwood : Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:02 pm  

Doh!

Re: Terry and Westwood : Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:18 pm  

jarol wrote:

Convicted Racist and golfing choker. It would be nice if the RFL actually took one step forward before taking two steps back!

Can this be removed, one he isn't a convicted racist and two you cannot convict someone for being racist. I don't know how often these morons need telling but holding racist view is NOT a crime. Inciting racial hatred is, as is racial discrimination.

I could state anywhere I wanted that I don't like Eskimos and not be prosecuted for anything. If I said I wouldn't give an Eskimo a job because he's an Eskimo or that I suggested other people joined me in a beating up an Eskimo day that very much would be a crime.

One is freedom of opinion and whether you find it vile or not, it's not a crime and never should be, The others are clearly prescribed criminal offences and rightly so because they go way beyond a particular personal prejudice and affect the safety and livelihood of the victims.

It's simple.

Re: Terry and Westwood : Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:58 pm  

vastman wrote:

Can this be removed, one he isn't a convicted racist and two you cannot convict someone for being racist. I don't know how often these morons need telling but holding racist view is NOT a crime. Inciting racial hatred is, as is racial discrimination.

I could state anywhere I wanted that I don't like Eskimos and not be prosecuted for anything. If I said I wouldn't give an Eskimo a job because he's an Eskimo or that I suggested other people joined me in a beating up an Eskimo day that very much would be a crime.

One is freedom of opinion and whether you find it vile or not, it's not a crime and never should be, The others are clearly prescribed criminal offences and rightly so because they go way beyond a particular personal prejudice and affect the safety and livelihood of the victims.

It's simple.

Eskimo is widely regarded as racist terminology. Not sure what that's got to do with John Terry's conviction for racism (convicted to the civil standard by the FA inquiry).

Re: Terry and Westwood : Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:16 am  

DHM wrote:

Eskimo is widely regarded as racist terminology. Not sure what that's got to do with John Terry's conviction for racism (convicted to the civil standard by the FA inquiry).

Rubbish and you know it, the FA has no power to prosecute, only a court can do that. 'convicted to the civil standard by the FA' yeah right, I suppose if it suits your argument then it would, be laughed out of any real court that didn't have one eye out for some fawning publicity.

Eskimo is not widely regarded as a racist term by anyone except attention seekers and trouble makers. It's inaccurate that's all, it was used as a catch-all term when in fact it only applied to two main groups of Inuits or indigenous Candian people. If you are going to be a woke pedant at least do your homework.

I grew up in the seventies when racism really did exist, Terry would have been a liberal then. These people were nasty, they took lives, they hurt people, they were way more than a petulant temper tantrum by an over-privileged footballer and an equally petulant overreaction by another. People like you have so devalued the term racist that it no longer has any real meaning, you can call almost anyone a racist now if you feel so inclined, it's pathetic and it's dangerous. Get a grip.

Re: Terry and Westwood : Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:19 pm  

It wasn't that long ago when Love thy neighbour was prime time evening viewing for millions as was till death us do part. We have come a long way in a relatively short period of time

Re: Terry and Westwood : Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:50 pm  

vastman wrote:

Rubbish and you know it, the FA has no power to prosecute, only a court can do that. 'convicted to the civil standard by the FA' yeah right, I suppose if it suits your argument then it would, be laughed out of any real court that didn't have one eye out for some fawning publicity.

Eskimo is not widely regarded as a racist term by anyone except attention seekers and trouble makers. It's inaccurate that's all, it was used as a catch-all term when in fact it only applied to two main groups of Inuits or indigenous Candian people. If you are going to be a woke pedant at least do your homework.

I grew up in the seventies when racism really did exist, Terry would have been a liberal then. These people were nasty, they took lives, they hurt people, they were way more than a petulant temper tantrum by an over-privileged footballer and an equally petulant overreaction by another. People like you have so devalued the term racist that it no longer has any real meaning, you can call almost anyone a racist now if you feel so inclined, it's pathetic and it's dangerous. Get a grip.

Eskimo is a racist term in Canada, Greenland and other Arctic regions.

Re: Terry and Westwood : Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:59 pm  

vastman wrote:

Rubbish and you know it, the FA has no power to prosecute, only a court can do that. 'convicted to the civil standard by the FA' yeah right, I suppose if it suits your argument then it would, be laughed out of any real court that didn't have one eye out for some fawning publicity.

Eskimo is not widely regarded as a racist term by anyone except attention seekers and trouble makers. It's inaccurate that's all, it was used as a catch-all term when in fact it only applied to two main groups of Inuits or indigenous Candian people. If you are going to be a woke pedant at least do your homework.

I grew up in the seventies when racism really did exist, Terry would have been a liberal then. These people were nasty, they took lives, they hurt people, they were way more than a petulant temper tantrum by an over-privileged footballer and an equally petulant overreaction by another. People like you have so devalued the term racist that it no longer has any real meaning, you can call almost anyone a racist now if you feel so inclined, it's pathetic and it's dangerous. Get a grip.

That’s your reaction to someone asking you to not use the term “Eskimo” and you’re telling them to get a grip?

Re: Terry and Westwood : Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:39 am  

No other professional sport or sportsman/woman would ever ask either a former RL or current RL player to do what Terry and Westwood are doing.

Simply because no one would know who they were.

"Hi everyone, I've asked Ellery Hanley to give us a talk"
"Who's that?"
"One of the great rugby league players"
"What's rugby league?"

Re: Terry and Westwood : Mon Feb 01, 2021 1:48 pm  

Except Kevin Sinfield, JJB, and Jamie Peacock, obviously