Re: Sam Tomkins : Sat Apr 11, 2015 10:11 pm  

I want him to be their Gary Connolly to our Gary Connolly.

Re: Sam Tomkins : Sat Apr 11, 2015 10:46 pm  

Allez wrote:

Who is? Discuss.

Paul Sculthorpe
Keiron Cunningham
Andy Farrell
Jamie Peacock
Sam Burgess
James Graham

I can't really be bothered carrying on but there's plenty more!

Re: Sam Tomkins : Sun Apr 12, 2015 1:20 am  

BackrowSaint wrote:

Paul Sculthorpe
Keiron Cunningham
Andy Farrell
Jamie Peacock
Sam Burgess
James Graham

I can't really be bothered carrying on but there's plenty more!

Agreed. Here's a few more great players since that era IMO Sean Long, Bobbie Goulding, Paul Newlove, Jason Robinson, Danny McGuire, Adrian Morley, Gareth Ellis, Gary Connolly, Rob Burrow, Sean O'Loughlin, James Roby...just to name a few more.

Sam Tomkins is absolute class, and his name definitely belongs in the company of the players mentioned above.

Re: Sam Tomkins : Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:05 pm  

BackrowSaint wrote:

Paul Sculthorpe
Keiron Cunningham
Andy Farrell
Jamie Peacock
Sam Burgess
James Graham

I can't really be bothered carrying on but there's plenty more!

You could add in

Sean Long
Paul Newlove
James Roby

It's all tricky to judge as well because of the different positions. It's not even fair to compare full backs as the positions changed so much

Re: Sam Tomkins : Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:50 pm  

I think far too many people are overrating players here.

Tier 1 are THE BEST (or arguably so) in their position in the NRL.

That means Inglis, Cameron Smith, Burgess, SBW, Graham etc.

It's a very, VERY exclusive group.

Re: Sam Tomkins : Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:26 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

I think far too many people are overrating players here.

Tier 1 are THE BEST (or arguably so) in their position in the NRL.

That means Inglis, Cameron Smith, Burgess, SBW, Graham etc.

It's a very, VERY exclusive group.

It's all just personal opinion. You've invented this tier 1 thing in your head to help you process how good certain players are.

IMO the definition of a great player is personal to each fan and it's who inspires you ie Tommy Martyn was a genius...Huddersfield fans probably think similar of Danny Brough. Both not given a fair crack for their country. Anyway, I forgot what my point was. Oh, and the NRL isn't the only league to have great players.

Re: Sam Tomkins : Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:18 am  

Twentyman wrote:

It's all just personal opinion. You've invented this tier 1 thing in your head to help you process how good certain players are.

IMO the definition of a great player is personal to each fan and it's who inspires you ie Tommy Martyn was a genius...Huddersfield fans probably think similar of Danny Brough. Both not given a fair crack for their country. Anyway, I forgot what my point was. Oh, and the NRL isn't the only league to have great players.

He's going to throw the dictionary at you now!!!!

Re: Sam Tomkins : Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:04 am  

St pete wrote:

He's going to throw the dictionary at you now!!!!

Haha, I was stood in Geno's waiting for my kebab when I typed that out, hence me losing the point of what I was on about (Some proper bladdered bloke was going mad about how he wanted chips and his wife was trying to usher him out).

What I was trying to say (in a really bad way) is that it's a team game. Yes, there are a few outstanding individuals, but the effect and influence they have on a game can also depend on the players around them and their teammates ability to be on the same page. So an exceptional hooker (that you would describe as Tier 1) would stand out much more with the right forwards around him than if he was at Batley or wherever.

Re: Sam Tomkins : Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:24 am  

Twentyman wrote:

that it's a team game. Yes, there are a few outstanding individual.

Agree in RL it is a team game, also there are a few outstanding individuals, but I don't think the sport these days has many Real True Superstars, that people say I will go to watch the game just to see them.

Re: Sam Tomkins : Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:53 am  

Twentyman wrote:

Haha, I was stood in Geno's waiting for my kebab when I typed that out, hence me losing the point of what I was on about (Some proper bladdered bloke was going mad about how he wanted chips and his wife was trying to usher him out).

What I was trying to say (in a really bad way) is that it's a team game. Yes, there are a few outstanding individuals, but the effect and influence they have on a game can also depend on the players around them and their teammates ability to be on the same page. So an exceptional hooker (that you would describe as Tier 1) would stand out much more with the right forwards around him than if he was at Batley or wherever.

You'll prob get some stat now on his Batley have the 2bd best pack in world rugby abd haven't been dominated since 2007.