: Tue May 19, 2009 9:36 pm  

Should have stuck to basketball

: Tue May 19, 2009 10:51 pm  

Painful.

Painful.

: Wed May 20, 2009 3:42 am  

I'd like to have seen him have a season outside Gidley.

Ok defence would still have been a problem but a good centre would have made him.

Widnes is a bad move for him

: Wed May 20, 2009 7:19 am  

SAINTS57 wrote:

I'd like to have seen him have a season outside Gidley.

Ok defence would still have been a problem but a good centre would have made him.

Widnes is a bad move for him

He is on loan to gain 1st team experience, as playing in the reserves is not going to develop him. I personally hope not only for Warrington but potentially for GB that he reaches his potential.

: Wed May 20, 2009 7:47 am  

i did try to tell them over on their board that penny was quick and nothing else just like i told them that richie barnett was a terrible player would they have it?

nooooooooo

: Wed May 20, 2009 7:55 am  

SAINTS57 wrote:

Widnes is a bad move for him

I don't think it is, as things are going now for him he is highly unlikely to get a permanent first team place in a Super League side. A month (or more if extended) loan at Widnes gives him the chance to show what he is capable of at a higher level than reserves where he is currently playing - if he wants to get back to Warrington (or any other SL side) he needs to impress enough to show he is going to be worthy of the place, otherwise he needs to perform enough to secure himself a permanent place in a side like Widnes.

: Wed May 20, 2009 8:06 am  

He has something you cant train and thats blistering pace. He has potential and if coached correctly could certainly become a top superleague winger imo. Most players can be coached into improving there defense and ability under a high ball etc Gardner is an example of that so there is no reason to believe Penny wont go on to have a successfull career.

This is a prime example though of young players getting over hyped well before there ready.

: Wed May 20, 2009 8:34 am  

No1 Saint wrote:

He has something you cant train and thats blistering pace. He has potential and if coached correctly could certainly become a top superleague winger imo. Most players can be coached into improving there defense and ability under a high ball etc Gardner is an example of that so there is no reason to believe Penny wont go on to have a successfull career.

This is a prime example though of young players getting over hyped well before there ready.

Gardner had a single major weakness to his game: catching a high ball. That's certainly coachable, although he'll never be outstanding in that department. Penny has MULTIPLE major weaknesses to his game: fielding kicks, committing himself too early (leaving him vulnerable to a winger stepping inside and the cut-out pass), a lack of physical presence etc. It will take a coaching miracle to shore up those problems.

Blistering pace alone is no reason to get into a SL first team. Brimah Kebbie taught us that.

: Wed May 20, 2009 8:36 am  

Mugwump wrote: Painful.

Mugwump wrote: Painful.

: Wed May 20, 2009 10:45 am  

You can train somebody to defend, but you cannot teach them to be quick. Pace isn't everything, but for a slightly built winger it is the difference between having the potential to be average, or the potential to be a class winger.

I hope for England's sake that Ainscough and Penny fulfill their potential. I don't remember a time when our wingers in this country have ever been this average.