Re: Who to keep. : Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:49 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

A lot of you are looking at Saints in too cold a light, in purely sustainable business terms. Sport isn't like that, the company only exists to enable the team to be successful. If you have to compromise the team for the company, there really is no point competing at all.

Maurice Lyndsay would be proud of you. Wigan existed for 100 years until he decided that success was important than the club, and for a very brief period in the club's history, he had massive success. Wigan will never recover from it. The will never own their own stadium, and because of that, they will fall behind clubs with far greater revenue streams like Saints, Warrington and Leeds. If you want 5 minutes of glory, then fine, spaned more than you can afford. I don't. I want Saints to be here as a competitive club for my kids and grand kids to enjoy.

Re: Who to keep. : Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:24 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

A lot of you are looking at Saints in too cold a light, in purely sustainable business terms. Sport isn't like that, the company only exists to enable the team to be successful. If you have to compromise the team for the company, there really is no point competing at all.

The fans of Portsmouth, Rangers, Bradford Bulls, Chester City, Darlington, Rushden etc. etc. all say "hi - welcome to the party" by the way...

Re: Who to keep. : Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:26 pm  

Anyway you try and dress it up, our recruitment and retention has been poor for past 5 years and it's going to get even worse pretty soon when TP, Perry, laffranchci all coming off contract at the same time as well as others.

I'll put money on us promoting youngsters in and not finding quality replacements.

Re: Who to keep. : Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:28 pm  

St pete wrote:

I'll put money on us promoting youngsters in and not finding quality replacements.

So put your money in then as I suggest

Re: Who to keep. : Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:32 pm  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

So put your money in then as I suggest

I put enough of my money into this club and do it every year.

We sold many season tickets this due to new stadia and the promise of a team to grace it, let's see next years number.

If its not happening on the field, fans will stay away, that's pure and simple.

Re: Who to keep. : Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:34 pm  

St pete wrote:

I put enough of my money into this club and do it every year.

We sold many season tickets this due to new stadia and the promise of a team to grace it, let's see next years number.

If its not happening on the field, fans will stay away, that's pure and simple.

...at least there will still be a club for fans to stay away from...

Re: Who to keep. : Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:38 pm  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

...at least there will still be a club for fans to stay away from...

Your living in dream land mate, we will be in the same trouble financially in 5 years as we was at Knowsley road.

Success on the pitch breeds it off the the pitch, we still need fans evey week and if the product on the pitch isn't good enough then we are in trouble.

A mix of u20s and a bunch of overated Aussie OAPS isn't the team is fans was promised.

Re: Who to keep. : Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:44 pm  

St pete wrote:

Your living in dream land mate, we will be in the same trouble financially in 5 years as we was at Knowsley road.

Success on the pitch breeds it off the the pitch, we still need fans evey week and if the product on the pitch isn't good enough then we are in trouble.

A mix of u20s and a bunch of overated Aussie OAPS isn't the team is fans was promised.

If only clubs that win trophys year in year out are going to be successful, then the game really has no future. Fortunately, that isn't the case.

Re: Who to keep. : Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:47 pm  

SomersetSaint wrote:

If only clubs that win trophys year in year out are going to be successful, then the game really has no future. Fortunately, that isn't the case.

When you've got a brand new spanking stadium to pay for and need 10,000 season ticket holders a season then the has to be quality on the fieid.

All this, we are saved because we've got Langtree park is rubbish, we still need crowds.

Anyway, I'm not getting involved in the running of the business side, my gripe is the poor recruitment and retention over the past 5 years.

Re: Who to keep. : Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:08 pm  

St pete wrote: But haven't we got the richest board in super league? One guy is with £1.6b which is a lot of money in rugby league. The figure of $1.6b (not £'s) wasn't the personal wealth but the size of the hedge fund of which Coleman partly manages, basically what people let him choosew where its invested. The fund charges a fee for providing the management. Obviously successful hedge fuind managers are welathy people but not to the tune of £1.6b. Interesting to note that the value of the fund has dropped by $1b over the last 12 months and talk of similar funds closing up shop completely. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/ ... E620120712 As for the other posts relating to Warrington potentially spending beyond their means then a few quid spent with companies house would show that for 4 of the last 5 years they have made a profit. This is what Saints need to emulate with their stadium.

St pete wrote: But haven't we got the richest board in super league? One guy is with £1.6b which is a lot of money in rugby league. The figure of $1.6b (not £'s) wasn't the personal wealth but the size of the hedge fund of which Coleman partly manages, basically what people let him choosew where its invested. The fund charges a fee for providing the management. Obviously successful hedge fuind managers are welathy people but not to the tune of £1.6b. Interesting to note that the value of the fund has dropped by $1b over the last 12 months and talk of similar funds closing up shop completely. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/ ... E620120712 As for the other posts relating to Warrington potentially spending beyond their means then a few quid spent with companies house would show that for 4 of the last 5 years they have made a profit. This is what Saints need to emulate with their stadium.