Re: Potter out NOW : Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:06 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Thats the reality, the board have made several mistakes and the quality coming in hasn't nearly matched that going out. So I personally would accept a drop off in competitiveness, the likes of Leeds, Warrington, Huddersfield, Hull KR having the beating of us. But what I can't accept is how we are playing. Both in terms of the style of our performances and the quality levels. Teams like Salford, Crusaders etc don't look as clueless as we do. I wouldn't mind boring, drab possession and safety based tactics if they were well executed and showed planning. But can all the sympathisers please state how much work they think the club has done on last play moves? On the kicking game? On planning sets and how to break down specific teams, on defensive patterns on highlighting opponents strengths? It's like Saints met an hour before kick off, shook hands and had a go, that is the kind of performance level it was, shambolic at times.

I agree with that.

Re: Potter out NOW : Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:28 pm  

Blobbynator wrote:

Saddened, we don't always agree, but I agree with every word of that. I need a lie down...

Re: Potter out NOW : Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:35 am  

Saddened! wrote:

I wouldn't mind boring, drab possession and safety based tactics if they were well executed and showed planning.

They were well executed enough for us to reach and nearly win the GF. They were not well executed enough for us to beat a fired up Hull side who played extremely well, on the back of a tough derby match, in bad conditions, with injuries picked leaving us down on interchanges.

The "sympathisers" are not excusing the poor rugby on show. If we don't improve I will happily clear Potter's desk for him at the end of the year. But I won't be deciding he should be sacked one game into a new season and I'm pretty sure the board won't be either.

Which leaves us fans with a choice. Do we get behind the coach and the squad in the knowledge that the coach and squad aren't going to change this season? Or do we b*tch and moan at every little thing and act like spoilt children who haven't been bought the newest toy for the first time in a decade (behaviour we have mocked Wigan/Wire/Leeds fans for in the recent past)?

Re: Potter out NOW : Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:37 am  

Blobbynator wrote:

Saddened, we don't always agree, but I agree with every word of that. I need a lie down...

Ditto

Re: Potter out NOW : Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:38 am  

FearTheVee wrote:

Which leaves us fans with a choice. Do we get behind the coach and the squad in the knowledge that the coach and squad aren't going to change this season? Or do we b*tch and moan at every little thing and act like spoilt children who haven't been bought the newest toy for the first time in a decade?

Re: Potter out NOW : Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:41 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

:SLEEPY:

I apologise for not agreeing with you.

Re: Potter out NOW : Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:48 am  

FearTheVee wrote:

They were well executed enough for us to reach and nearly win the GF. They were not well executed enough for us to beat a fired up Hull side who played extremely well, on the back of a tough derby match, in bad conditions, with injuries picked leaving us down on interchanges.

We were dreadful in terms of cohesion and execution of last plays last year. The thing is we have such good individual personnel that a lot of the time we can get away with this and scrape a win when we don't deserve one. As a result we seem to have been happy not to make a serious attempt to fix problems that are always going to bite us on the backside in big games against quality sides, like the cup semi and the grand final.

FearTheVee wrote:

Which leaves us fans with a choice. Do we get behind the coach and the squad in the knowledge that the coach and squad aren't going to change this season? Or do we b*tch and moan at every little thing and act like spoilt children who haven't been bought the newest toy for the first time in a decade (behaviour we have mocked Wigan/Wire/Leeds fans for in the recent past)?

Admittedly there is some dummy spitting going on, but the fact is the side are getting fundamental elements of the game badly wrong, and there are no signs that anything is getting done to change this. After an entire pre-season's work it seems we have exactly the same problems. I'm not advocating a rash change in coaching staff, but I wish Potter would address some of the basic issues that have arisen game after game since he took over.

At the moment the whole is considerable less than the sum of its parts, and the coach has to take some responsibility for that.

Re: Potter out NOW : Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:01 am  

Dux wrote:

Admittedly there is some dummy spitting going on, but the fact is the side are getting fundamental elements of the game badly wrong, and there are no signs that anything is getting done to change this.

I agree entirely, but I'm minded to wait longer than game 1 of the new season with new half backs and injuries before making a decision as to whether Potter is addressing this.

There are obviously those who feel Potter should leave immediately (hence the thread title) and those who believe it's still too early to judge. Neither side will change the opinion of the other so I guess it's a "wait and see".

It's still my opinion that the board will judge Potter on how many of our young players break through to be regulars by the end of his two years in charge and whether we can manage that transition whilst remaining a top 3 team challenging for trophies. That's how I intend to judge him too.

I appreciate everyone's opinion is different and that they are entitled to it, but it irritates me when Potter is blamed for everything from injuries to half time oranges being late and the team is being booed off the pitch one game after they were cheered out at Old Trafford.

Re: Potter out NOW : Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:04 am  

FearTheVee wrote:

I appreciate everyone's opinion is different and that they are entitled to it, but it irritates me when Potter is blamed for everything from injuries to half time oranges being late and the team is being booed off the pitch one game after they were cheered out at Old Trafford.

They got to Old Trafford because of (a) Longy's defence and (b) Kyle Eastmond's attack. They lost 5 out of their last 8 games last season, so don't make out Old Trafford to be something it wasn't. Without Longy and his two try-saving tackles into touch (one of which he only just about got away with) and Kyle and his attack, Wigan would have been at Old Trafford, not us.

Re: Potter out NOW : Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:09 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

They got to Old Trafford because of (a) Longy's defence and (b) Kyle Eastmond's attack. They lost 5 out of their last 8 games last season, so don't make out Old Trafford to be something it wasn't. Without Longy and his two try-saving tackles into touch (one of which he only just about got away with) and Kyle and his attack, Wigan would have been at Old Trafford, not us.

The team were booed one game after being cheered out at Old Trafford, those are the facts however you wish to package them.

Anyway, truce called with the Potter out mob. I'll keep my propaganda to myself.