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Re: Matty Smith : Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:33 pm  
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Agree with a lot of the post, but this is highly unfair.

Eastmond has a great kicking game.


I agree, Eastmonds kicking game this has been pretty good but matty smith has a much better short kicking game and also likes the odd 40-20
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Re: Matty Smith : Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:45 pm  
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Agree with a lot of the post, but this is highly unfair.

Eastmond has a great kicking game.

Just think. How many times have you seen Kyle kick mid field? How many 40/20s has he attempted? He has kicked some lovely kicks across the tryline and has kicked goals but he hasn't got the tactical and creative kicking of Smith. Maybe he will develop that side of his game over time but to do so he will have to start thinking outside the box a bit more. Smith is a natural tactical kicker and that was present in his game when he was last with us. It was a real treat having a kicker like Smith in a red vee. Or it was for me, anyway!
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Re: Matty Smith : Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:48 pm  
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Just think. How many times have you seen Kyle kick mid field? How many 40/20s has he attempted? He has kicked some lovely kicks across the tryline and has kicked goals but he hasn't got the tactical and creative kicking of Smith. Maybe he will develop that side of his game over time but to do so he will have to start thinking outside the box a bit more. Smith is a natural tactical kicker and that was present in his game when he was last with us. It was a real treat having a kicker like Smith in a red vee. Or it was for me, anyway!


His kicking on friday was top class.

He has to play in all our games this year IMO.
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Re: Matty Smith : Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:50 pm  
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I agree, Eastmonds kicking game this has been pretty good but matty smith has a much better short kicking game and also likes the odd 40-20


Smith's game is probably more mature than Eastmonds but thats to be expected.

FWIW 'Saintsfan' I'm not on my high horse I just find all the hysteria amusing. Smith is a good player who put in a very good performance however Eastmond is a very special player in the Longy mould. the only way I could see us keeping him would have been to move Leon to 13 (I'd love to see that) or shift Eastmond to fullback and dump Wello ...
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Re: Matty Smith : Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:52 pm  
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His contract ends at the end of the season. Contract negotiations are often carried out late in the season. It's a non story.

I don't know when talks are held over things like loan terminations and such like. I'm sure we knew Scott Moore was returning for quite a while before the end of the season?

The problem always lay in the fact that he wanted to play for the club, but he would have had to have settled for a bit part position given the talent that already sits at half back.

This is a problem only if the club considers there is no place for him. On the evidence of last night, there is a place for him but not instead of Eastmond; rather as well as. He would complement Eastmond I think, providing us with a much rounder halfback partnership than we have at present. Kyle is flashy and he darts and ducks around. He can also kick over the tryline very well indeed. But other teams will try and nulify that and will succeed over time. We needed a foil: someone who could add a different kind of unpredictability; something Smith would do with his kicking game. On top of that, Smith can organise. I'm not at all sure Kyle can.

It's a shame we let him go but that's how it is. Perhaps if he plays for us again in two weeks he'll have a rubbish game and everyone on here can tell me what a dork I am and how I don't know what I'm talking about.
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Re: Matty Smith : Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:56 pm  
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Smith's game is probably more mature than Eastmonds but thats to be expected.

FWIW 'Saintsfan' I'm not on my high horse I just find all the hysteria amusing. Smith is a good player who put in a very good performance however Eastmond is a very special player in the Longy mould. the only way I could see us keeping him would have been to move Leon to 13 (I'd love to see that) or shift Eastmond to fullback and dump Wello ...


I agree that eastmond seems to be a special player(when fit) and is prob the best number 7 in super league when match fit but matty smith is the old style scrumhalf and in certain games we need a bit of that.

If im being honest i'd rather we binned moore and kept matty smith. Smith would fit in very well at hooker and give us cover in the halfs. I do like moore but if it came down to losing pryce, eastmond, smith or moore then i'd bin moore.
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Re: Matty Smith : Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:57 pm  
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Smith's game is probably more mature than Eastmonds but thats to be expected.

Smith had a good kicking game when he was last with us and he was Eastmond's age then so while he has obviously gained some experience in the interim (although at Crusaders he was largely left out in favour of Aussies), I wouldn't put it all down to maturity. He's just a different player from Eastmond.

FWIW 'Saintsfan' I'm not on my high horse I just find all the hysteria amusing.

Fair enough. But I think what you are probably seeing is shock more than anything. I don't know about you, but when I was standing on the terraces before the match I didn't think we were in with much of a chance even with Smith included. Having seen what Smith brought to the party, and the fact that we dominated 60 minutes of the game, something I haven't seen us do all season, it's not really surprising that there is a bit of hysteria around, surely? I know I have felt hysterical ever since halftime!
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Re: Matty Smith : Sat Sep 11, 2010 9:00 pm  
St pete wrote:
I agree that eastmond seems to be a special player(when fit) and is prob the best number 7 in super league when match fit but matty smith is the old style scrumhalf and in certain games we need a bit of that.

I totally agree. I also think his kicking game is natural and therefore very valuable. Also, I think some people are getting distracted by Kyle's flash. It is great, I love it, but I'd also like some solid stuff too. To have both would be ideal.

And I know this will be considered as tantamount to blasphemy and will probably bring mockery and much beating of breasts, but I actually was extremely impressed by Kyle when he played centre for us last year. I thought he executed some fantastic centre play. He seemed like a natural there to me.
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Re: Matty Smith : Sat Sep 11, 2010 9:03 pm  
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I totally agree. I also think his kicking game is natural and therefore very valuable. Also, I think some people are getting distracted by Kyle's flash. It is great, I love it, but I'd also like some solid stuff too. To have both would be ideal.

And I know this will be considered as tantamount to blasphemy and will probably bring mockery and much beating of breasts, but I actually was extremely impressed by Kyle when he played centre for us last year. I thought he executed some fantastic centre play. He seemed like a natural there to me.


Matty smith short kicking game on friday was the best ive seen for many years.

Also, his long kicking game was very very good. Even tho at times he kicked straight down mathers throat but he kicked it very very deep from in our own half.

Great old style scrumhalf display.
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Re: Matty Smith : Sat Sep 11, 2010 9:06 pm  
St pete wrote:
Matty smith short kicking game on friday was the best ive seen for many years.

Yes. It was a joy to see.

Also, his long kicking game was very very good. Even tho at times he kicked straight down mathers throat but he kicked it very very deep from in our own half.

Yep. A good tactical kicker. He made Mathers concentrate and gave plenty of time for the chase.
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