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Re: Scott Moore : Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:36 am  
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Hopefully somebody who doesn't follow up every piece of good play with a penalty or a knock on.

A good, agressive, hand working player - but one with rocks for brains, both on and off the pitch.


He's been great this season and absolutely fantastic since he got into trouble.

Our team will miss his aggression. Bar Jammer and Soliola there is no one who has even a slight element of the dog in them. We need that when teams like Wigan and Warrington have sides full of aggressive players.
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Re: Scott Moore : Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:40 am  
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He's been great this season and absolutely fantastic since he got into trouble.

Our team will miss his aggression. Bar Jammer and Soliola there is no one who has even a slight element of the dog in them. We need that when teams like Wigan and Warrington have sides full of aggressive players.


I like him, but he's a nugget. The Wigan cup game for example - throwing himself around - great. Then a knock on, followed by a penalty and Wigan are in for a try.

He hasn't got the grey matter to be a genuinely top player. For all his aggression, he's a light year away in usefulness than someone like Clough who just gets on with his job without the same bite.

I would imagine that Flanagan will offer as much as Moore but without the brain farts. Shame, because Scott is clearly talented, but just lacks the necessary smarts.
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Re: Scott Moore : Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:43 am  
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He's been great this season and absolutely fantastic since he got into trouble.

Our team will miss his aggression. Bar Jammer and Soliola there is no one who has even a slight element of the dog in them. We need that when teams like Wigan and Warrington have sides full of aggressive players.




Make that over aggressive players. :wink:
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Re: Scott Moore : Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:44 am  
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I like him, but he's a nugget. The Wigan cup game for example - throwing himself around - great. Then a knock on, followed by a penalty and Wigan are in for a try.

He hasn't got the grey matter to be a genuinely top player. For all his aggression, he's a light year away in usefulness than someone like Clough who just gets on with his job without the same bite.

I would imagine that Flanagan will offer as much as Moore but without the brain farts. Shame, because Scott is clearly talented, but just lacks the necessary smarts.


He makes mistakes and isn't perfect, fine. But without the likes of him and Jammer we'll just be a side who accepts failure and rolls over too easily. Rewatch his performance against Huddersfield, his defense was fantastic. Without him Shirley would have run riot.
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Re: Scott Moore : Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:51 am  
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He makes mistakes and isn't perfect, fine. But without the likes of him and Jammer we'll just be a side who accepts failure and rolls over too easily. Rewatch his performance against Huddersfield, his defense was fantastic. Without him Shirley would have run riot.


I don't need to re-watch it - it was the typical Scott Moore performance. Great endeavour and aggression in defence, undermined by mind numbingly stupid actions.

One of his big shots on Shirley he followed immediately with a penalty. Totally undermines the effort he put in to wallop him by piggy packing them up field into a dangerous position in a close game. It's exactly the sort of thing that stops him being a top player.

But I know you have a thing about aggression, hence loudly singing the praises of a player like Ferriol whilst playing down a player like Clough, despite Clough being wildly more effective as a prop than his more agressive French buddy.

It's not all about aggression - Wigan's defence is so good because it is so organised and players are conditioned to make the right decisions, not because they try to fly out and muller you. There is a place for smart players - which is why I fancy MM at Wigan might struggle to pick Hock in the big games. No doubting his aggression and application, but I'm not sure MM will admire his decision making in big, close games.
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Re: Scott Moore : Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:55 am  
I thought the Moore Money was already spent?

ie one ex Wiganer via Australia, who just so happens to play hooker and 2nd row.

Who could he be coming over to replace?

Must be Jammer.
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Re: Scott Moore : Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:14 pm  
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I thought the Moore Money was already spent?

ie one ex Wiganer via Australia, who just so happens to play hooker and 2nd row.

Who could he be coming over to replace?

Must be Jammer.



They cant have spent it as he still has another 12months on his contract.
There are ways and means of course. :wink:
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Re: Scott Moore : Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:08 pm  
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If he wasn't driving then he isn't guilty of any of the charges. He's only guilty of running away in grey underpants (which I agree, should be a crime - he could at least have worn undies of a more interesting colour)


He will get off with it but not because he wasnt driving!
He wont be at St Helens next year they had already had enough of him before this!!
But for me drink driving far out weighs snorting coke and a few people from certain other boards wanted hock banned for life, whilst dont seem to condem Moore for his actions!
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Re: Scott Moore : Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:16 pm  
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He will get off with it but not because he wasnt driving!
He wont be at St Helens next year they had already had enough of him before this!!
But for me drink driving far out weighs snorting coke and a few people from certain other boards wanted hock banned for life, whilst dont seem to condem Moore for his actions!


Scott Moore didn't take performance enhancing and banned drugs to cheat the sport and it's competitors. Mr Hock did.

Scott just allegedly has a few demons. Demons that have existed in scores of past Saints players including recently retire legends of the team. It would wholly hypocritical for the club to release him IMO.
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Re: Scott Moore : Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:04 pm  
Anyone who thinks Scott Moore's defense is 'fantastic' clearly watches a different player to the one I do. He is capable of some decent hits but some people seem to see that and miss his inability to read attacking plays and the shooting out of the line leaving gaps everywhere.

Could be a very handy back rower if he engaged his brain.
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