: Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:55 am  

Ski wrote:

Thing is, I've tried to include a spectrum, something everyone will find something to recognise.

Like I said, I'm open to changing it for the best

Exactly and to be fair, I think the mix is right.

It looks quality work so far and can't wait till it is unleashed in all it's glory.

Saints fans pioneering another effort in RL circles.

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:03 pm  

not sure about Goulding at all, 1996 he was awesome, and was the lynchpin in us winning the league....but, the way that he left the club and his behaviour off the field in 1997-1998 brought the club more disrepute than almost anyone else.

On the whole, I would argue that Perelini and Newlove both deserve to be on there before Goulding. They too were major contributors to the 1996 victory, but performed for Saints at the highest level for years longer than Goulding, and they won a lot more trophies.

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:04 pm  

Ski wrote:

Maybe removing the St Helens and centering the badge?

That could work. Only downside being it won't be that obvious to tv viewers etc. what the flag is all about.

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:06 pm  

Dom McCormack has just posted this design on RedVee.

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:13 pm  

Now, in terms of funding. Nurse-navy-saint off'f redvee got in touch with our friend Tony Colquitt, one of the head honchos and essentially our go to guy in the club. We put in the idea, and suggested that maybe the club aid the funding. this was the reply we got.

Hi,

Sounds like a great idea. I will e mail across dimensions when i get back to the
office. I dont think you will have an issue with size though!
I would be happy for the club to contribute . As you would imagine and expect
the club will be ensuring its past is not forgotten when we move. We will be
working on several areas that hopefully should ensure all parties are kept
happy.

Dont hesitate to e mail me if you require anything else.

kind regards

Tony

This is of course great news. However, we now have to get is finalised, and qutoed up with various companies I have found online.

The inclusion of Saints.org.uk is very important. Much of the fundraising will be through fan donations. Sadfish has kindly offered that anyone who donates will have their name forever imprinted on a special page the site, about the tifo and in recognition of the help in getting the work off the ground. He has offered to handle donations, but we will finalise those plans in good time.

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:16 pm  

Ski wrote: Right, so I have gone about picked a 22 off the list, looking at each one on www.saints.org.uk (great site again Fishy and co) Alex Murphy yes Les Jones yes Duggie Greenall yes Kel Coslett yes Alf Ellaby yes Roy Haggerty no - good club player nothing else Paul Wellens yes Keiron Cunningham yes Billy Benyon yes Geoff Pimlett yes Tommy Voll yes Shane Cooper no - good club player nothing else Len Killeen no - famous for kicks at wembley nowt else Sean Long yes Vinty Karalius yes Paul Sculthorpe yes Bobbie Goulding no- far more players worthy of inclusion Chris Joynt yes Tommy Martyn yes Eamonn McManus no - now is not the time to judge his legacy. Jim Sullivan yes Harry Cook yes I feel we have covered a broad range of ages, backgrounds and what not. If anyone can put a compelling argument to me by Tuesday night about a change, then I will alter it. But if we fannied around with who wants what, we would never get this off the forums and onto photoshop (let alone a flag) Ive highlighted who i agree and disagree with. Notable missing Alan Prescott - one of the greatest RL players of all time. Prescott is a legend in the UK and Australia. This man won the ashes while playing with a broken arm, while captaining GB. He captained the Saints team that won its first challenge cup winning the lance todd in the process. The guy is a RL immortal, to not have him in is a disgrace. He was a brilliant ball playing forward, who had also been a schoolboy sprint champion. Over 400 appearances for Saints. 31 GB appearances, (most be a Saints player). Herman the German - Founder of Saints. Without him it would never have began. George Nicholls- just read Dave Dooleys biograpphy http://www.saints.org.uk/saints.org.uk/ ... page_id=10 Cliff Watson - scourge of the aussies. He absolutely battered them. 29 gb caps. The best ever RU to RL forward convert.

Ski wrote: Right, so I have gone about picked a 22 off the list, looking at each one on www.saints.org.uk (great site again Fishy and co) Alex Murphy yes Les Jones yes Duggie Greenall yes Kel Coslett yes Alf Ellaby yes Roy Haggerty no - good club player nothing else Paul Wellens yes Keiron Cunningham yes Billy Benyon yes Geoff Pimlett yes Tommy Voll yes Shane Cooper no - good club player nothing else Len Killeen no - famous for kicks at wembley nowt else Sean Long yes Vinty Karalius yes Paul Sculthorpe yes Bobbie Goulding no- far more players worthy of inclusion Chris Joynt yes Tommy Martyn yes Eamonn McManus no - now is not the time to judge his legacy. Jim Sullivan yes Harry Cook yes I feel we have covered a broad range of ages, backgrounds and what not. If anyone can put a compelling argument to me by Tuesday night about a change, then I will alter it. But if we fannied around with who wants what, we would never get this off the forums and onto photoshop (let alone a flag) Ive highlighted who i agree and disagree with. Notable missing Alan Prescott - one of the greatest RL players of all time. Prescott is a legend in the UK and Australia. This man won the ashes while playing with a broken arm, while captaining GB. He captained the Saints team that won its first challenge cup winning the lance todd in the process. The guy is a RL immortal, to not have him in is a disgrace. He was a brilliant ball playing forward, who had also been a schoolboy sprint champion. Over 400 appearances for Saints. 31 GB appearances, (most be a Saints player). Herman the German - Founder of Saints. Without him it would never have began. George Nicholls- just read Dave Dooleys biograpphy http://www.saints.org.uk/saints.org.uk/ ... page_id=10 Cliff Watson - scourge of the aussies. He absolutely battered them. 29 gb caps. The best ever RU to RL forward convert.

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:17 pm  

Eamonn, I think is a vital inclusion. Without his help, we would not have such a prosperous future to look forward to.

[Sadfish]

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:25 pm  

The Chair Maker wrote: Ive highlighted who i agree and disagree with. Notable missing Alan Prescott - one of the greatest RL players of all time. Prescott is a legend in the UK and Australia. This man won the ashes while playing with a broken arm, while captaining GB. He captained the Saints team that won its first challenge cup winning the lance todd in the process. The guy is a RL immortal, to not have him in is a disgrace. He was a brilliant ball playing forward, who had also been a schoolboy sprint champion. Over 400 appearances for Saints. 31 GB appearances, (most be a Saints player). Herman the German - Founder of Saints. Without him it would never have began. George Nicholls- just read Dave Dooleys biograpphy http://www.saints.org.uk/saints.org.uk/ ... page_id=10 Cliff Watson - scourge of the aussies. He absolutely battered them. 29 gb caps. The best ever RU to RL forward convert. I added Prescott already and Nicholls/Rhodes will most likely make it at the behest of cooper. I'm pretty sure no photographs of Douglas Herman exist and there is debate that he was actually French.

The Chair Maker wrote: Ive highlighted who i agree and disagree with. Notable missing Alan Prescott - one of the greatest RL players of all time. Prescott is a legend in the UK and Australia. This man won the ashes while playing with a broken arm, while captaining GB. He captained the Saints team that won its first challenge cup winning the lance todd in the process. The guy is a RL immortal, to not have him in is a disgrace. He was a brilliant ball playing forward, who had also been a schoolboy sprint champion. Over 400 appearances for Saints. 31 GB appearances, (most be a Saints player). Herman the German - Founder of Saints. Without him it would never have began. George Nicholls- just read Dave Dooleys biograpphy http://www.saints.org.uk/saints.org.uk/ ... page_id=10 Cliff Watson - scourge of the aussies. He absolutely battered them. 29 gb caps. The best ever RU to RL forward convert. I added Prescott already and Nicholls/Rhodes will most likely make it at the behest of cooper. I'm pretty sure no photographs of Douglas Herman exist and there is debate that he was actually French.

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:49 pm  

I also think that the flag is too heavily weighted in favour of players since the 1980's with little to show for Pre ww2.

Granted Saints had little success prior to ww2 however we still had a few great players eg Jack Arkwright, Alf Ellaby, les Fairclough,William Briers

The legendary 1960's sides also seem under represented. Remember these were the best players in the world, not merely good club players as the current generation are.

This is a list of top 10 appearances at Saints
Kel Coslett
William Briers
Billy Benyon
Eric Chisnall
Dougie Greenall
les Jones
George Lewis
John Mantle
Keiron Cunningham
Tom Van Vollenhoven

All these should be on the list

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:10 pm  

If Cooper is to be replaced I would vote for Rhodes to replace him. I would also suggest that Haggerty is removed and repalced with George Nicholls. I loved watching Roy play but I think we tend to look back with rose-tinted specs a bit and we shouldn't forget his brainfarts. Whole hearted, yes, but not a 'Great' for my money.