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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:25 am  
Paul Youane wrote:
Because the Guardian has stopped printing his weekly rant complaining about the same thing.

Risky business what Saints are doing in this economic climate. Could end up like Oldham and Watersheddings.


I have noticed nothing but constant doom mongering from you over this new ground...
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:15 pm  
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I have noticed nothing but constant doom mongering from you over this new ground...



If it's not Warrington related, historically he's negative.
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:35 pm  
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If it's not Warrington related, historically he's negative.


and correct.
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:40 pm  
Just as a matter of interest and no doubt it'll become clear in February,but back in August Tony Colquitt said in an interview that the stadium would have around 12,500 seats with the rest standing.According to the plans on the council website they show 10,245 seats,139 disabled with 7,600 standing.Obviously an increase of 2000+ seats there-can anyone shed any light on this or is it simply the original seating/standing ratios were not set in stone?
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:57 pm  
Serious question after seeing the link to the planning permission on the redvee forum (not doom-mongering - although there is plenty of fuel in the conditions to the planning permission if I so choose at a later date):-

Has the design of the stadium changed? The drawing numbers referred to in the planning permission are different to those that have been up-loaded onto the council planning portal (the ones on the portal have not been updated for a couple of years at least looking at the revisions which is very unusual).

I guess the real good news is that detailed planning has been given and a section 106 agreement has been signed by Langtree however it is interesting to read that although there is a definition for "Tenant Enhancements" included in the agreements the term never appears to have been used. I guessed that the "Owner" was able to negotiate out of any obligation to provide anything more than "Super League Standard".
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:40 pm  
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Why would Wire want to increase the size of their stadium when their attendances are at their lowest since 2003?

http://www.slstats.org/t6/Warrington%20Wolves/


2010 was a terrible year for them wasn't it? 13th is a very poor showing.
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Why would Wire want to increase the size of their stadium when their attendances are at their lowest since 2003?

http://www.slstats.org/t6/Warrington%20Wolves/


2010 was a terrible year for them wasn't it? 13th is a very poor showing.
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:45 am  
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however it is interesting to read that although there is a definition for "Tenant Enhancements" included in the agreements the term never appears to have been used. I guessed that the "Owner" was able to negotiate out of any obligation to provide anything more than "Super League Standard".


Can you explain what you mean there? Not being funny, just have no idea what that's meant to imply?
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:36 pm  
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Can you explain what you mean there? Not being funny, just have no idea what that's meant to imply?


The S106 Agreement is what binds Langtree into providing the facilities that could be in a crude manner considered to be the town's "kick-back" for allowing Tesco to have their new superstore. All perfectly normal and often includes the likes of new schools, leisure centres, etc being funded by the likes of Tesco for the greater benefit of the town.

In this instance Langtree (no doubt with funding contribution from Tesco either through capital or rent) are committing to providing a stadium (as well as up-graded bus-stops, money for mucky mountain(?), etc.). The S106 agreement obliges Langtree to provide a stadium to "Super League Standard". To ascertain what this means you need to look at the definitions in the agreement that defines this as being to the minimum standard required by a Super League Stadia Guide. A quick glance at the architect drawings released of the proposed stadium would immediately indicate that the stadium is some way above "Super League minimum standards".

Looking further into the S106 Agreement there is a definition of "Tenants Enhancements" (you are by the way tenanants and will not own the stadium, although if you get a 999 year lease with total rights over the stadium at a peppercorn rent you may as well be) that refers to add-ons that the club may require over and above "Super League Standard". You would normally therefore expect to see an obligation on Langtree within the S106 to provide these "Tenants Enhancements" as part of the "kick-back" to the town. However there is no reference (that I can see) of "Tenant Enhancements" within the document that suggests to me that there use to be but that Langtree have negotiated out of the obligation to provide. I guess they argued these wouldn't be benefits to the town (as you'd expect to see in a S106 and a Super League Stadium considered to be) but are add-ons for the benefit of a private company (St Helens RLFC) that would be used to generate revenue/profit for the sole benefit of that company and not the town as a whole.

I am presuming that this argument held water and the obligation removed and unfortunately the lawyers weren't quite diligent enough when giving the document a final sanity check and left the definition in. Obviuosly this is all complete and utter guesswork (although you may say educated guesses) by myself.

I re-iterate the point that having the detailed planning (although heavily conditioned) and a signed S106 Agreement is a massive plus and hurdle crossed in working towards the stadium. I would like to see the "approved drawings" for the stadium as the drawing numbers differ from those on the planning portal (although again this could be procedural). If the drawings are the same as previous then this negates all the above paragraphs of drivel and I guess that St Helens RLFC will themselves have to find the money to fund everything considered above Super League Standards.

Again apologies for any "doom-mongering" in the above but if I was a Saints fan (God forbid) there are answers I would like just for peace of mind if nothing else.
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:41 pm  
Paul, you could be speaking Greek for all I know. But what I do know is that in a meeting I attended at Saints over a year ago, it was explicitly stated by the management that Saints would own the stadium. It would not be rented, on a peppercorn or any other lease.
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:48 pm  
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Paul, you could be speaking Greek for all I know. But what I do know is that in a meeting I attended at Saints over a year ago, it was explicitly stated by the management that Saints would own the stadium. It would not be rented, on a peppercorn or any other lease.

for tax purposes i wouldnt be surprised if saints rent it off "saints stadium company" or some similar name which is owned by saints, a very sensible and common business practice
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