Re: Rumours thread. : Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:00 am  

Carlos Alberto wrote:

You can have Meli. Keep your goddam dirty fingers off Clough though!

Why? He's becoming less and less impressive by the week as he gets older and is now an out and out plodder with no real impact, either defensively or with the ball. There is little Clough does that an academy prop like Forster couldn't be doing for a lot less money.

Re: Rumours thread. : Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:04 am  

Dux wrote:

Liam Watts has been given permission to talk to other clubs despite having 18 months left on his contract, and may even be available for an immediate transfer, according to the Hull Daily Mail. Worth a look?

Definitely. English props don't come along on a free very often, I'd be surprised if we weren't having a dabble. We MUST have cap room available as well.

Re: Rumours thread. : Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:31 am  

Saddened! wrote:

Why? He's becoming less and less impressive by the week as he gets older and is now an out and out plodder with no real impact, either defensively or with the ball. There is little Clough does that an academy prop like Forster couldn't be doing for a lot less money.

I think you bring this up time and again and then some one usually comes on to show you that the stats don't bear this out.

Bit like the people who where saying it's the defence or the forwards were we are struggling because Wigan beat us.

Re: Rumours thread. : Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:43 am  

Check out Clough's stats before whinging. Think Chairmaker mentioned them in another thread, possibly the Manu one?

Re: Rumours thread. : Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:12 am  

Been told that we are after Millard from Catalan anyone else heard this

Re: Rumours thread. : Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:38 am  

1984saints wrote:

Been told that we are after Millard from Catalan anyone else heard this

Would be a terrific signing but he's quota and non-fed so we'd have to lose an Aussie.

Re: Rumours thread. : Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:25 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Why? He's becoming less and less impressive by the week as he gets older and is now an out and out plodder with no real impact, either defensively or with the ball. There is little Clough does that an academy prop like Forster couldn't be doing for a lot less money.

My slightly outsider view is that his development has been severely hampered by the decision to try and turn him into a prop? Rather than just accepting the need to sign 1/2 that Saints always tend to ignore.

Re: Rumours thread. : Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:30 pm  

J20 wrote:

My slightly outsider view is that his development has been severely hampered by the decision to try and turn him into a prop? Rather than just accepting the need to sign 1/2 that Saints always tend to ignore.

Don't listen to Saddened! - Cloughie is definitely a prop and performs consistently well in that position.

Re: Rumours thread. : Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:37 pm  

Dux wrote:

Don't listen to Saddened! - Cloughie is definitely a prop and performs consistently well in that position.

He does okay against the minor sides, but tends to be mullered by the big sides. But he's too small to play prop and has no impact on games at all. He's a workhorse, his stats are racked up by taking ball after ball and doing very little with it.

I'm not saying he's a bad player, but I don't think we'd miss much if we promoted Magennis or Forster into his position in the side either.

Re: Rumours thread. : Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:51 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

He does okay against the minor sides, but tends to be mullered by the big sides. But he's too small to play prop and has no impact on games at all. He's a workhorse, his stats are racked up by taking ball after ball and doing very little with it.

I'm not saying he's a bad player, but I don't think we'd miss much if we promoted Magennis or Forster into his position in the side either.

Clough is, after LMS, our best prop going forward. His stats are similar to Laffranchi's (slightly better in fact). He averages nearly 8 metres per carry. Magennis, in comparison, offers nothing, and we've hardly seen enough of Forster yet to assume that he would instantly become our second most effective go-forward prop if he took Clough's place in the squad.