: Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:22 pm  

it might be a good idea as you say for coaches ala cullen and sharp to take a step or two down and go as an assisstant in oz for a few years, see how they do it from the inside.

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:46 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

it might be a good idea as you say for coaches ala cullen and sharp to take a step or two down and go as an assisstant in oz for a few years, see how they do it from the inside.

As Chairmaker has just also said we need to improve massively in the technical aspects of coaching if we are going to see more British coaches in SL in the future. I think going to Aus as an assistant or junior coach would be a good thing. It's exactly how Daniel Anderson developed as a coach. Perhaps also some of our coaches don't spend enough time as a junior coach/assistant and step up too quickly and thats why they have struggled.

Coaching is far more than smacking someone or getting the ball out wide and the conditioning aspects of the game are now a highly scientific process too. I just wish we could put in place a better structure for more British coaches and former players wantign to coach to come through the ranks.

: Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:01 am  

Article in aussie press showing changing role of players http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/lhqnews ... 97718.html Its of note in how it comments about the loose forward playing like a 3rd prop in many aussie teams. This is in many respects how Cloughie plays. Also back rowers performing like inside centres did in the past. Wilkin and Flannery have very much been in this role.

Article in aussie press showing changing role of players http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/lhqnews ... 97718.html Its of note in how it comments about the loose forward playing like a 3rd prop in many aussie teams. This is in many respects how Cloughie plays. Also back rowers performing like inside centres did in the past. Wilkin and Flannery have very much been in this role.

: Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:19 am  

The Chair Maker wrote: Article in aussie press showing changing role of players http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/lhqnews ... 97718.html Its of note in how it comments about the loose forward playing like a 3rd prop in many aussie teams. This is in many respects how Cloughie plays. Also back rowers performing like inside centres did in the past. Wilkin and Flannery have very much been in this role. Tony p also plays centresque. Forwards have to be so much fitter than in years gone by.

The Chair Maker wrote: Article in aussie press showing changing role of players http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/lhqnews ... 97718.html Its of note in how it comments about the loose forward playing like a 3rd prop in many aussie teams. This is in many respects how Cloughie plays. Also back rowers performing like inside centres did in the past. Wilkin and Flannery have very much been in this role. Tony p also plays centresque. Forwards have to be so much fitter than in years gone by.

: Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:22 am  

Saint Simon wrote:

Tony p also plays centresque. Forwards have to be so much fitter than in years gone by.

Tony P played near enough the full 80 against Wigan and Graham regularly plays 60+ which is immence considering hius work-load.

: Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:24 am  

The Chair Maker wrote:

I basically agree with what Mcllennan has said.

One of the things that came out of the RL world cup review done by the RFL with the assistance of the players, was that the game was lacking in the appreciation of the scientific aspects of the sport.

For me this is part of the culture of the game in the UK, which belittles itself.

The Aussies have an appreciation of tactics of the game, their commentators give intelligent analysis, they even have a tv programme called NRL Tactics that explains all about the way the game is played.
In the UK we have comedy double acts, who chat about someone having pink boots, who make double-entendres, but who offer only the most simplistic tactical insight into the game.

Your average soccer fan knows about 4-4-2, 4-5-1, 4-3-3. Many RL fans come across as thinking the game is just about smacking him, or getting it out wide.

As a result from top to bottom, from fans to administrators its unlikely that the game will place enough emphasis on the reality that RL is chess with muscles, not pantomine.

Absolutely.

I despair when Stevo talks about, for example, Leon Pryce 'shutting down' Danny McGuire.

A successful playing career which included a world cup triumph, 20 years as a professional commentator, and he still hasn't realised that stand-offs don't man mark each other.

Clearly you can't use Stevo as a barometer of the coaching standards, but the game does seem to be much better understood over there than it is here, which may well be why they are always so much better than us at the basics.

Re: Bringing former players though into coaching : Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:35 pm  

Joynty11 wrote:

Im sure many Rugby League fans will agree with me that the is way too many overseas coaches in Super League at present.....
Thoughts???

Not me, I'd say there's not enough overseas coaches. The Australian coaching is light years ahead of British. They took on sports science way ahead of anyone else. Consequently the Australian players are much fitter but the real difference shows in recovery time. Whether it be just recovery after a game or recovery after an injury the players benefit from the very professionel science based conditioning and coaching.

How do you think the British athletes did so well at the last olympics? I'll tell you. They poached the Australian coaches that's how.

When the British coaches can match the depth of knowledge of the Australians as regards fitness, conditioning, recovery and game study then I'll agree with you.

The ones we need to stop coming over is the players not the coaches.

: Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:27 am  

The Chair Maker wrote: Article in aussie press showing changing role of players http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/lhqnews ... 97718.html Its of note in how it comments about the loose forward playing like a 3rd prop in many aussie teams. This is in many respects how Cloughie plays. Also back rowers performing like inside centres did in the past. Wilkin and Flannery have very much been in this role. I noticed in the article it mentions Fui Fui Moi Moi being used at 5/8 stand off. Isn't this exactly what Saints used to do years ago when George Mann regularly moved out of the pack to get the ball at first or second receiver especially at scrums?

The Chair Maker wrote: Article in aussie press showing changing role of players http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/lhqnews ... 97718.html Its of note in how it comments about the loose forward playing like a 3rd prop in many aussie teams. This is in many respects how Cloughie plays. Also back rowers performing like inside centres did in the past. Wilkin and Flannery have very much been in this role. I noticed in the article it mentions Fui Fui Moi Moi being used at 5/8 stand off. Isn't this exactly what Saints used to do years ago when George Mann regularly moved out of the pack to get the ball at first or second receiver especially at scrums?

: Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:18 am  

Daniel Anderson used to use Mike Bennett as a third prop playing loose forward, and Saints regularly do what it says in the article, about the '3rd prop' going off to be replaced by someone faster - when Clough goes off and Roby moves to loose forward

: Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:34 am  

The Chair Maker wrote:

I basically agree with what Mcllennan has said.

One of the things that came out of the RL world cup review done by the RFL with the assistance of the players, was that the game was lacking in the appreciation of the scientific aspects of the sport.

For me this is part of the culture of the game in the UK, which belittles itself.

The Aussies have an appreciation of tactics of the game, their commentators give intelligent analysis, they even have a tv programme called NRL Tactics that explains all about the way the game is played.
In the UK we have comedy double acts, who chat about someone having pink boots, who make double-entendres, but who offer only the most simplistic tactical insight into the game.

Your average soccer fan knows about 4-4-2, 4-5-1, 4-3-3. Many RL fans come across as thinking the game is just about smacking him, or getting it out wide.

As a result from top to bottom, from fans to administrators its unlikely that the game will place enough emphasis on the reality that RL is chess with muscles, not pantomine.

I concur

I was going to write something similiar myself but you have done it so much more eloquently I don't need to.