: Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:21 pm  

Trav2005 wrote:

Gardner the turnstyle.

We got beat so what so did leeds no harm done, better to get beat this week than next against a really poor side.

Idiot.

: Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:33 pm  

Bill_Barlow wrote:

Idiot.

Aaawwwww did he say bad words against your team.

: Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:20 pm  

gardner should be able to play without gidley there if he cant then we have a huge problem but gidley is a world class player and i look up to this lad me

: Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:22 pm  

sophie wrote:

gardner should be able to play without gidley there if he cant then we have a huge problem but gidley is a world class player and i look up to this lad me

Ade Gardener is an okay winger. He only looks good because he's played outside two amazing centres in Lyon and Gidley. Last night showed how much improving needs to be done on his part.

: Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:25 pm  

Saint_Jen wrote:

Ade Gardener is an okay winger. He only looks good because he's played outside two amazing centres in Lyon and Gidley. Last night showed how much improving needs to be done on his part.

Definately, looked lost without gidley last night. It seems like he needs guidance at times.

: Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:40 pm  

saintyick wrote:

Definately, looked lost without gidley last night. It seems like he needs guidance at times.

He needs something alright.

: Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:41 pm  

Eurob0y wrote:

St Helens are a team full of average players, who are only made to look good by ermmm, the other average players around them. This is a FACT.

I mean lets be honest here, fans of random mid table teams like Wigan and Hull KR would know what average players look like, so their opinions should be counted as FACT

Hello Rafa.

: Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:43 pm  

Saint_Jen wrote:

Ade Gardener is an okay winger. He only looks good because he's played outside two amazing centres in Lyon and Gidley. Last night showed how much improving needs to be done on his part.

He cannot solely be blamed for many of the errors in defence down his side. The defence only operates when everyone does their job, Gardner himself hasn't missed a great deal of tackles. Last night actually having a centre may well have helped him rather than a walkabout Gilmour who seemed to be more interested in attacking up the middle.

At one point I wondered whether Gilmour had been shifted inside and Flannery put out wide, until Gilmour eventually got back into position.

: Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:48 pm  

Saint_Jen wrote:

He needs something alright.

A fair point well put.

: Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:54 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

He cannot solely be blamed for many of the errors in defence down his side. The defence only operates when everyone does their job, Gardner himself hasn't missed a great deal of tackles. Last night actually having a centre may well have helped him rather than a walkabout Gilmour who seemed to be more interested in attacking up the middle.

At one point I wondered whether Gilmour had been shifted inside and Flannery put out wide, until Gilmour eventually got back into position.

I never said he should be.
But he's not a kid, by now he should have gained the experience needed to defend well, even when he doesnt have Gidley there.