: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:16 pm  

If all these players have played in a World Cup, are they not by definition World Class Players.

: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:19 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

If all these players have played in a World Cup, are they not by definition World Class Players.

No

Unless you agree that McIlorum, O'Carroll. Richards and Beswick are "World Class players"

: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:26 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

No

Unless you agree that McIlorum, O'Carroll. Richards and Beswick are "World Class players"

So in theory players in Superleague are not classed as Superleague Players either.

: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:28 pm  

sgtwilko wrote:

One of those players is world class which is gidley, Cunningham has never played his best rugby at international level but there are plenty of reasons why some people would argue he's world class. Cayless is a good prop but not world class for me!! Pryce and wilkin have looked well out of their depth at the next level!! So 1 maybe 2 of those players are world class. But Cunningham if not gidley is past his best!!But I don't think anyone is saying any different really

Very true none of them are world class but both KC and gidley have been in there time and JC has been world class before he become injury prone.

They are all still good league players though.

: Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:18 pm  

St pete wrote:

They are all still good league players though.

In that case so are Fitzpatrick, Talau, White, Myler, Sibbit, Parker, Turner they may be nothing to any saints fans but they are good players for us, they may not be world class (except for one) but they have given us some good performances.

: Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:40 am  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

However both Ratchford, and especially Myler, are poor defenders. Wigan targeted them both in the cup game.

Can't disagree but as I've said elsewhere Ratchford seems to have bulked up a fair bit over the course of this season and as such seems to have been able to improve his defence quite a bit. Myler does seem to be targeted a fair bit still though.

: Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:45 am  

St pete wrote:

Very true none of them are world class but both KC and gidley have been in there time and JC has been world class before he become injury prone.

They are all still good league players though.

With out a doubt!!

: Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:37 am  

redsfan84 wrote:

In that case so are Fitzpatrick, Talau, White, Myler, Sibbit, Parker, Turner they may be nothing to any saints fans but they are good players for us, they may not be world class (except for one) but they have given us some good performances.

Very true but your point is.....

: Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:11 am  

St pete wrote:

Very true but your point is.....

That you can't just simply argue that "we lost because we were missing first team players"

: Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:52 am  

paul bate wrote: We could be in trouble looking at that scarey Salford squad
- The words pride and fall come to mind (Salford City Reds 20-10 Saint Helens 03/07/2009)

The Fall was hard to take, but i was there to take it, and i took it like a proper supporter should, with dignity, well done to you sir and well played, you deserved your win completely.