Re: Long - Saints might strugle. : Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:55 am  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

IMO Briscoe apart none of those players would get into the current Wigan team

You think Deacon is currently a better player than Robinson?

Wild would get in the Wigan 17 for sure.

Re: Long - Saints might strugle. : Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:44 am  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Who in that 24 to 27 year old bracket of Saints current players stands out as a "leader"? I don't see one, maybe Wilkin but he had a poor season in 2009.

you dont see James Graham as a "leader"?

or....
Soliola, an experienced international
Roby, an experienced international
Wilkin - hit and miss, but I expect a big season, never the less he is an experienced international
Puletua - an experienced international

or Wellens who will still be around for a couple of years yet?

and to a lesser extent: Fa'asavalu, Gardner, Pryce are all experienced internationals - Flannery is an experience state of origin veteran.

In 2011, Eastmond will have a full season under his belt, plus an international series Down Under....i.e. possibly have around about 10 England caps.

Re: Long - Saints might strugle. : Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:55 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

You think Deacon is currently a better player than Robinson?

Wild would get in the Wigan 17 for sure.

We don't need a player of Robinsons type though. He's a running halfback with very few kicking or passing skills and we have guys in Tomkins and Leuluai who do a similar job but ten times better.

We needed a scrum half that in tight games could get us down the oppositions end abit better with some good kicking and hopefully Deacon will bring that.

As for Wild I like him but didn't think he had his best season last year. He's a player i'd still have at Wigan though if it were possible but then we have so many good kids coming through in that position he could hold them back.

Re: Long - Saints might strugle. : Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:59 pm  

saints35 bulls0 wrote:

you dont see James Graham as a "leader"?

or....
Soliola, an experienced international
Roby, an experienced international
Wilkin - hit and miss, but I expect a big season, never the less he is an experienced international
Puletua - an experienced international

or Wellens who will still be around for a couple of years yet?

and to a lesser extent: Fa'asavalu, Gardner, Pryce are all experienced internationals - Flannery is an experience state of origin veteran.

In 2011, Eastmond will have a full season under his belt, plus an international series Down Under....i.e. possibly have around about 10 England caps.

Apologies, for some reason I missed him completely, maybe it's because he's going to Warrington, but yes I do see him as a leader.

However I'm not convinced about any of the others, experienced maybe but I don't see Scully, Long or Cunningham in there.

Time will tell.

Re: Long - Saints might strugle. : Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:16 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

IMO Briscoe apart none of those players would get into the current Wigan team

You must really not rate Phelps.

Re: Long - Saints might strugle. : Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:46 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

You must really not rate Phelps.

He'll probably be gone at the end of the year, and I still think Briscoe is the best British fullback in Superleague at present.

Re: Long - Saints might strugle. : Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:47 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

He'll probably be gone at the end of the year, and I still think Briscoe is the best British fullback in Superleague at present.

Worrying thought, isn't it?

Re: Long - Saints might strugle. : Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:57 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

He'll probably be gone at the end of the year, and I still think Briscoe is the best British fullback in Superleague at present.

Would take Richard Owen and keep Jonny Lomax before I went for Briscoe. Mr Average.

Re: Long - Saints might strugle. : Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:10 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

Would take Richard Owen and keep Jonny Lomax before I went for Briscoe. Mr Average.

Owen would be up there but he has had a lot of injury problems. Lomax has a long way to go yet as was shown in last years reserve final in which Vievers was by far the better of the two fullbacks, but Joshs lack of pace is a major concern of mine.

I would agree long term that Owen and Lomax may be better bets, but this is how the discussion started wasn't it?