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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:25 pm  
Paul Youane wrote:
Not sure about the club owning the stadium - I thought we had all agreed the club was actually leasing the stadium.


That's interesting, I thought the club was going to own the stadium site - do you (or anybody) have any links for this? Would be keen to have a read.

Paul Youane wrote:
I think you will find its "saint at wire" who is giving a "monkeys" about what Tesco gave to Wire.


Wasn't aiming it at you in particular, I just don't understand why everyone is so keen to compare Tesco's input across two developments?

Paul Youane wrote:
I'll give you that Saints' ground's spec looks better on paper but for now that's where it remains - on paper.


Too true.
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:24 pm  
Paul Youane wrote:
Not sure about the club owning the stadium - I thought we had all agreed the club was actually leasing the stadium.

We were debating that point, not agreeing it. I stated that according to what the club management said at a meeting I attended about 18 months ago, Saints are going to own the stadium.
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:26 pm  
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We were debating that point, not agreeing it. I stated that according to what the club management said at a meeting I attended about 18 months ago, Saints are going to own the stadium.


True - looking back it wasn't agreed.

However as there is clearly a reference to the Council stepping-into Langtree's shoes and being obliged to give St Helens rugby club a lease to use the stadium within the contract documents (that are available for anybody to read) I don't see how people can continue to be in denial.

Although before everybody gets on their high-horses again I will repeat that a long term lease on minimal rent can be as good as, if not better, than actually being the owner.
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:03 pm  
Paul Youane wrote:
True - looking back it wasn't agreed.

However as there is clearly a reference to the Council stepping-into Langtree's shoes and being obliged to give St Helens rugby club a lease to use the stadium within the contract documents (that are available for anybody to read) I don't see how people can continue to be in denial.

Although before everybody gets on their high-horses again I will repeat that a long term lease on minimal rent can be as good as, if not better, than actually being the owner.


No, I will repeat that Langtree own the land and Saints will own the stadium.

They will lease the land the stadium is on on a long term lease.

Thats what I always thought was the answer.
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:45 pm  
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They will lease the land the stadium is on on a long term lease.

Is there an option for Saints to buy the land?
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:47 pm  
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Is there an option for Saints to buy the land?

why would we want to if we have a 999 yr lease?
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:03 pm  
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No, I will repeat that Langtree own the land and Saints will own the stadium.

They will lease the land the stadium is on on a long term lease.

Thats what I always thought was the answer.


Sadfish bare with me on this one but:

The Section 106 Agreement has the following definition with a linked obligation on Langtree:

“Agreement For Lease” means a contractual deed to be entered into by the Owner [Langtree Group Plc] and the Club [St Helens Rugby Club Limited] which shall provide for the Occupation [this is a defined term that means what it says not ownership] of the Stadium by the Club within 6 months of it being Practicably Completed to Superleague Standard; in a form approved by the Council”

That doesn’t suggest Saints will own the Stadium.


Clause 10.5 of Schedule 3 of the S106 contains the following provisions:

“…. To allow the Council to be the direct landlord of the Club pursuant to the lease entitling the Club to occupy the Stadium…”

If the Club owns the Stadium why is the Council their Landlord within a lease permitting the Club to occupy the Stadium. You should note the Stadium Land is separately defined and the lease referred to is very much for the facilities not the land. So again why would the Club enter a lease if they own the building?


I understand that you probably think I’m “muck-raking” however I am intrigued why you are so certain you are right yet publicly available, legally binding executed contracts suggest different? Why do you think these provisions have been included within these documents in the manner they have?
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: Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:48 am  
latest little snippet I have found concerning the stadium.

http://www.birsecl.co.uk/html/company-n ... tentID=289
latest little snippet I have found concerning the stadium.

http://www.birsecl.co.uk/html/company-n ... tentID=289
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Re: : Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:50 am  
The Doghead wrote:
latest little snippet I have found concerning the stadium.

http://www.birsecl.co.uk/html/company-n ... tentID=289


Latest? That is from October, and discussing the access road.
The Doghead wrote:
latest little snippet I have found concerning the stadium.

http://www.birsecl.co.uk/html/company-n ... tentID=289


Latest? That is from October, and discussing the access road.
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Re: Re: : Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:54 am  
Ski wrote:
Latest? That is from October, and discussing the access road.



So you knew Birse where involved in the new road layout.
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