: Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:00 pm  

saints35 bulls0 wrote:

:lol:

Hopefully it will prove to be the same 'Smith factor' that served us so well in the world cup

: Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:04 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

If the priority is in getting Moore established, keeping Cunningham effectively reduces the number of games Moore has to form an understanding with his team mates.

When we were semi-pro you could argue there was a place for sentiment in the sport. But fully-pro? Not a chance.

If we want to show our respect to Cunningham for all the great years he's helped us to - build a statue, or name a stand in the new stadium after him. Giving him the opportunity to become a shadow of his former self isn't respectful in any way.

Having him on the coaching staff would be a great idea - that way you dont lose his experience totally. We do need to serious think about having Scott Moore back in a Saints short next year or we run the massive risk of losing him.

: Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:48 pm  

saintcj wrote:

I suppose Scully would be a good example of this,
But I think most people could agree, if KC wants another year, He deserves one?

It all depends on whether we want Moore to take over. If we do, no.

No 1 Saint wrote:

Having him on the coaching staff would be a great idea - that way you dont lose his experience totally. We do need to serious think about having Scott Moore back in a Saints short next year or we run the massive risk of losing him.

That all depends on whether he wants to coach, whether there's a space for him on the coaching staff and if he's ever shown an aptitude for coaching. Being a top class player does not necessarily mean you'll be a top class coach, in fact for the most part it shows that you won't.

: Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:59 pm  

Mugwump wrote: If the priority is in getting Moore established, keeping Cunningham effectively reduces the number of games Moore has to form an understanding with his team mates. When we were semi-pro you could argue there was a place for sentiment in the sport. But fully-pro? Not a chance. If we want to show our respect to Cunningham for all the great years he's helped us to - build a statue, or name a stand in the new stadium after him. Giving him the opportunity to become a shadow of his former self isn't respectful in any way. Completely agree, Its time to leave on a high, there's not much between the two of them now, except on is 12 yrs younger http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009

Mugwump wrote: If the priority is in getting Moore established, keeping Cunningham effectively reduces the number of games Moore has to form an understanding with his team mates. When we were semi-pro you could argue there was a place for sentiment in the sport. But fully-pro? Not a chance. If we want to show our respect to Cunningham for all the great years he's helped us to - build a statue, or name a stand in the new stadium after him. Giving him the opportunity to become a shadow of his former self isn't respectful in any way. Completely agree, Its time to leave on a high, there's not much between the two of them now, except on is 12 yrs younger http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009

: Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:00 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

It all depends on whether we want Moore to take over. If we do, no.



That all depends on whether he wants to coach, whether there's a space for him on the coaching staff and if he's ever shown an aptitude for coaching. Being a top class player does not necessarily mean you'll be a top class coach, in fact for the most part it shows that you won't.

Fair comments but KC is a model proffessional and has been an amazing servant to the club - even if he isnt a great coach if he wants to stay on in some capacity then he could be given a 'mentoring' type role for the younger players. From the noises made by players past and present it would seem that KC does share his experience around and does have a positive influence on the players around him (I recall an interview with Higham who was very complimentary about the King)

: Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:03 pm  

Saint Simon wrote: Completely agree, Its time to leave on a high, there's not much between the two of them now, except on is 12 yrs younger http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 I dont disagree with you in principle but you shouldnt get too bogged down in stats. Stats dont show the effect a player has on the dressing room or the full picture out on the pitch. KC is inspirational for want of a better term a living and still playing Legend , Scott Moore is still a young lad learning his trade ...

Saint Simon wrote: Completely agree, Its time to leave on a high, there's not much between the two of them now, except on is 12 yrs younger http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 I dont disagree with you in principle but you shouldnt get too bogged down in stats. Stats dont show the effect a player has on the dressing room or the full picture out on the pitch. KC is inspirational for want of a better term a living and still playing Legend , Scott Moore is still a young lad learning his trade ...

: Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:06 pm  

No1 Saint wrote:

I dont disagree with you in principle but you shouldnt get too bogged down in stats. Stats dont show the effect a player has on the dressing room or the full picture out on the pitch. KC is inspirational for want of a better term a living and still playing Legend , Scott Moore is still a young lad learning his trade ...

Sorry, i meant to keep KC some form of coaching role. His influence cannot be overestimated

: Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:26 pm  

No1 Saint wrote:

Fair comments but KC is a model proffessional and has been an amazing servant to the club - even if he isnt a great coach if he wants to stay on in some capacity then he could be given a 'mentoring' type role for the younger players. From the noises made by players past and present it would seem that KC does share his experience around and does have a positive influence on the players around him (I recall an interview with Higham who was very complimentary about the King)

I'd fully agree with that. I also think we should be using Scully around the youngsters too if we aren't already.

: Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:29 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

I'd fully agree with that. I also think we should be using Scully around the youngsters too if we aren't already.

We are, he is teaching them how to speak in the lowest conceivable voice!

: Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:46 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

We are, he is teaching them how to speak in the lowest conceivable voice!

Y'know.