Re: Ben Fisher : Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:16 pm  

St pete wrote:

On the subject of roby, I don't think we can flog him like we did last year, the back end of the season he looked tired and didn't offer any impact like he had in the first half of the season.

Correctamundo Peter. Roby is the long term future of saints and we need to ensure that we don't completely thrash him week in week out. I would prefer him to be doing no more than 50 mins per week

Re: Ben Fisher : Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:38 pm  

SomersetSaint wrote:

Correctamundo Peter. Roby is the long term future of saints and we need to ensure that we don't completely thrash him week in week out. I would prefer him to be doing no more than 50 mins per week

Precisely why the ludicrous argument that we can afford to play games with 16 men as we can just thrash Roby all year winds me up so much.

This is even more important now interchanges are down. Hopefully we've seen the end of the unused substitute at Saints under Royce.

Re: Ben Fisher : Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:17 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

Precisely why the ludicrous argument that we can afford to play games with 16 men as we can just thrash Roby all year winds me up so much.

This is even more important now interchanges are down. Hopefully we've seen the end of the unused substitute at Saints under Royce.

Totally agree!

As most know on here, it drives me feckin mad the while back on the bench that royce opts for!

You'd see jammer and robes out on their feet while a back is sat on the bench scraching his balls!

Modern day players can play in more than one postion. Teams train them to play other positions yet royce stuck to flogging certain players while some didn't even do a minute!

Re: Ben Fisher : Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:44 pm  

St pete wrote:

Totally agree!

As most know on here, it drives me feckin mad the while back on the bench that royce opts for!

You'd see jammer and robes out on their feet while a back is sat on the bench scraching his balls!

Modern day players can play in more than one postion. Teams train them to play other positions yet royce stuck to flogging certain players while some didn't even do a minute!

I'm not a fan of the "back on the bench" plan either. you can see an argument for it in big games if a pivotal player is injured, but like you say modern players are flexible enough to cover.

Re: Ben Fisher : Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:23 pm  

Who do you reckon will be our bench players when we have a fully fit squad. I reckon if Lance starts the season well then Gaskell might not make the 13 and Royce must decide to keep him on the bench or outside the 17, don,t fancy the latter.

Re: Ben Fisher : Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:25 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

Who do you reckon will be our bench players when we have a fully fit squad. I reckon if Lance starts the season well then Gaskell might not make the 13 and Royce must decide to keep him on the bench or outside the 17, don,t fancy the latter.

Royce will go for Gaskell on the bench with lms, clough and flanaghan.

I think clough will have a battle on his hands this year to stay in the 17 if Magennis stays fit and Forster knocking on the door. I thought clough looked half the play he was, I know he'd spent most of the year injured but was shocked how easy he was to tackle and he'd lost that leg drive he had.

Re: Ben Fisher : Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:59 pm  

St pete wrote:

Royce will go for Gaskell on the bench with lms, clough and flanaghan.

I think clough will have a battle on his hands this year to stay in the 17 if Magennis stays fit and Forster knocking on the door. I thought clough looked half the play he was, I know he'd spent most of the year injured but was shocked how easy he was to tackle and he'd lost that leg drive he had.

I was dissapointed with Cloughy last year, I know he was injured, but I thought he would go up a level. Frustrating sometimes when going into the opposition he use to spin around and die with the ball. Looking forward to see how Flanagan fits in as second hooker which makes this Ben Fisher a non starter.

Re: Ben Fisher : Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:40 am  

Judder Man wrote:

I was dissapointed with Cloughy last year, I know he was injured, but I thought he would go up a level. Frustrating sometimes when going into the opposition he use to spin around and die with the ball. Looking forward to see how Flanagan fits in as second hooker which makes this Ben Fisher a non starter.

Flanaghan will only play hooker if roby gets injured and I wouldn't be surprised to even see lance go there before flanaghan.

Re: Ben Fisher : Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:51 am  

FearTheVee wrote:

Precisely why the ludicrous argument that we can afford to play games with 16 men as we can just thrash Roby all year winds me up so much.

This is even more important now interchanges are down. Hopefully we've seen the end of the unused substitute at Saints under Royce.

I would suggest Lance will help your above situation, covering the backs and taking pressure off Roby. Perhaps you'll see them both on the pitch at once, but with lance taking some of the responsibility from dummy half?

Re: Ben Fisher : Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:10 pm  

Just imagine most of these players on the pitch at the same time, Lance, Roby, Gaskell, Lomax, Flanagan all taking on the line with there own individual "box of tricks". Reasons to be cheerful if Royce works on all the potential attacking options.