Re: Injury Update - Look Away Now : Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:52 pm  

Roy Haggerty wrote:

Nothing. One of us accepts that the club has in the past released statements about Walsh's return which have proved inaccurate. One of us doesn't. One of us, as a result, exercises reasonable doubt about the accuracy of future statements. The other acts like a fly banging against a window, being equally surprised every time it gets cracked on the head.

Are you being deliberately obtuse!? They have explained why those statements turned out to be inaccurate you muppet!!

Re: Injury Update - Look Away Now : Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:16 pm  

Roy Haggerty wrote:

Nothing. One of us accepts that the club has in the past released statements about Walsh's return which have proved inaccurate. One of us doesn't. One of us, as a result, exercises reasonable doubt about the accuracy of future statements. The other acts like a fly banging against a window, being equally surprised every time it gets cracked on the head.

Superb.

I'm with you in your growing skepticism (even if I spell it differently). I think Saints have now made three announcements on his return, two of which have proven inaccurate for whatever reason. It would have been better had they said nothing other than 'he's making progress' given that we were all prepared at the end of last season for him to be out for some of this season too.

As for Lomax ... it would be a real shame if his dodgy knees meant the end of his rugby career, especially given the courage he showed after his head injury as a youngster. But on both occasions of his injury to this knee it just gave way under him without any challenge so clearly there is a real problem there, whatever it is. Either way the club will be making back up plans I'm sure.

Makinson looks good at fullback and it was his position of preference. It's easier to bring in a young back on the wing first than at fullback, and we won't be able to find anyone externally at this stage of the season I shouldn't think anyway. Given that Wello has already suffered an injury I'm not sure we will be able to rely upon him to cover as we did last season. I'm not sure we should either; we should be seeking to move on from him as he won't be on the field next year anyway.

Re: Injury Update - Look Away Now : Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:08 pm  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

Are you being deliberately obtuse!? They have explained why those statements turned out to be inaccurate you muppet!!

I think, for the second time on this thread, you haven't discerned the meaning of my words. We'll leave it there. You should perhaps be a bit slower to throw around personal insults when all someone is doing is offering a perfectly reasonable alternative view to your own.

Re: Injury Update - Look Away Now : Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:11 pm  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

Are you being deliberately obtuse!? They have explained why those statements turned out to be inaccurate you muppet!!

I'm thinking some people will believe what they want to believe just because when it comes to Walsh, regardless of empircal evidence is put in front of them.

Walshs current return date is the second week in April. Yes, he might fall in the shower tomorrow and re-break it leading to another 6 months out. That doesn't make the first statement any less true, it just means new circumstances. I'm not sure why that's hard to follow...

What do we as fans want? Club statements that read more akin to legal papers?

Re: Injury Update - Look Away Now : Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:14 pm  

Roy Haggerty wrote:

I think, for the second time on this thread, you haven't discerned the meaning of my words. We'll leave it there. You should perhaps be a bit slower to throw around personal insults when all someone is doing is offering a perfectly reasonable alternative view to your own.

I think there's an issue of cause and causality here.

As YG (and myself) are aware, the information saints have previously put out about Walsh was true at the time, there's a possibility that he falls tomorrow, re breaks it and doesn't play again. However, that's somewhat unlikely, certainly no more likely than any other player. That doesn't mean that Saints were wrong when they said he could make the start of the season, and the invalidity of that statement is no basis to assume of further false statements by saints.

Re: Injury Update - Look Away Now : Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:22 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

I think there's an issue of cause and causality here.

As YG (and myself) are aware, the information saints have previously put out about Walsh was true at the time, there's a possibility that he falls tomorrow, re breaks it and doesn't play again. However, that's somewhat unlikely, certainly no more likely than any other player. That doesn't mean that Saints were wrong when they said he could make the start of the season, and the invalidity of that statement is no basis to assume of further false statements by saints.

Thank you. You're spot on. It really isn't difficult to understand.

Re: Injury Update - Look Away Now : Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:23 pm  

Roy Haggerty wrote:

I think, for the second time on this thread, you haven't discerned the meaning of my words. We'll leave it there. You should perhaps be a bit slower to throw around personal insults when all someone is doing is offering a perfectly reasonable alternative view to your own.

It isn't perfectly reasonable though. It's ignorant, stubborn and extremely frustrating.

Re: Injury Update - Look Away Now : Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:34 pm  

It'll be interesting to see the squad when named tomorrow. We're gonna have to play a forwards game, and hopefully tire them out up the middle, with no proper halves.

Re: Injury Update - Look Away Now : Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:59 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

I think there's an issue of cause and causality here.

As YG (and myself) are aware, the information saints have previously put out about Walsh was true at the time, there's a possibility that he falls tomorrow, re breaks it and doesn't play again. However, that's somewhat unlikely, certainly no more likely than any other player. That doesn't mean that Saints were wrong when they said he could make the start of the season, and the invalidity of that statement is no basis to assume of further false statements by saints.

No. And I haven't accused Saints of wilfully false statements. However, nor is the invalidity of previous statements, or any genuine intent behind them, a basis to assume that further statements must therefore come to pass.

There are only two positions here :

1) Previous statements, although well intentioned, proved inaccurate. I have some doubt about current predictions proving accurate. I hope they do, but past events suggest unreliability of such predictions.
2) Previous statements, although well intentioned, proved inaccurate. I am absolutely certain that the current prediction will prove accurate. Anyone who thinks otherwise must be an idiot.

Personally, I don't think position (1) is unreasonable. Jumping up and down shouting at people who express that view suggests a lack of perspective.

Re: Injury Update - Look Away Now : Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:00 pm  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

It isn't perfectly reasonable though. It's ignorant, stubborn and extremely frustrating.

I see. Well, let's hope your absolute confidence is better placed than the club's earlier confidence.