: Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:04 am  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

I take that as a compliment.

In other words you've LOST.

Oh nooooooooooooo. I got the score wrong I must have LOST.

: Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:15 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

So as Ainscough went on tour with the U18 academy I wouldn't expect him to be anywhere near the first team for at least 2 seasons.

Are Saints going to move Gidley and play Foster?

And now come Dean McGilvray is not ready to take over from Meli?

Well here's a start. When we signed Meli we had no viable internal options. Gidley is under contract till the end of the year when we all expect 1 of a selection of our young players to step up .. Foster may be the one. Wigan have an opportunity to blood a youngster as a second choice and what do they do ? Bring in Mr Average Cameron Phelps .. well done

: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:12 pm  

No1 Saint wrote:

Well here's a start. When we signed Meli we had no viable internal options. Gidley is under contract till the end of the year when we all expect 1 of a selection of our young players to step up .. Foster may be the one. Wigan have an opportunity to blood a youngster as a second choice and what do they do ? Bring in Mr Average Cameron Phelps .. well done

With your in depth knowledge of Wigan reserve and academy Rugby, which player do you think Wigan should have "blooded" instead of signing Phelps?

: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:26 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

When will wigan realise that buying in journeymen from oz will get them nowhere!

And how would you describe Flannery?

Journeyman is probably over generous....................

: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:36 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

With your in depth knowledge of Wigan reserve and academy Rugby, which player do you think Wigan should have "blooded" instead of signing Phelps?

Well according to what I've read and the fact that he has a first team squad number I would have suggested maybe giving Ainscough some game time and see how he went. As soon as you had Goulding back the backline would have been

Mathers
Calderwood
Goulding
Carmont
Richards

or would you prefer to play Phelps at 3 and drop Goulding .. oh sorry you did do that didnt you...

: Mon Jan 26, 2009 2:24 pm  

Ainscough was still playing at U18 academy level the same as Foster. Gouding was injured and unable to train and consequently put on lot of weight. However he played more games than Phelps last season although Phelps stats are better. http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2008&hp1=1806&hs2=2008&hp2=2549&stat=tries&season=2008 Goulding is still only 20 years of age, and remembering what has happened in the past with players playing too much, too soon, it was probably in his best interests. As I said earlier have a look at Tyrer, Smith , Moore and McGilvray. Saints don't have a Centre in place for this season, why have one of the youngsters not been blooded ready to take Talaus place. What they have done is replaced one old man with another.

Ainscough was still playing at U18 academy level the same as Foster. Gouding was injured and unable to train and consequently put on lot of weight. However he played more games than Phelps last season although Phelps stats are better. http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2008&hp1=1806&hs2=2008&hp2=2549&stat=tries&season=2008 Goulding is still only 20 years of age, and remembering what has happened in the past with players playing too much, too soon, it was probably in his best interests. As I said earlier have a look at Tyrer, Smith , Moore and McGilvray. Saints don't have a Centre in place for this season, why have one of the youngsters not been blooded ready to take Talaus place. What they have done is replaced one old man with another.

: Mon Jan 26, 2009 2:31 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote: Ainscough was still playing at U18 academy level the same as Foster. Gouding was injured and unable to train and consequently put on lot of weight. However he played more games than Phelps last season although Phelps stats are better. http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2008&hp1=1806&hs2=2008&hp2=2549&stat=tries&season=2008 Goulding is still only 20 years of age, and remembering what has happened in the past with players playing too much, too soon, it was probably in his best interests. As I said earlier have a look at Tyrer, Smith , Moore and McGilvray. Saints don't have a Centre in place for this season, why have one of the youngsters not been blooded ready to take Talaus place. What they have done is replaced one old man with another. Ive got a suggestion Rogues! Why don't the Saints Fans Pick our team as they obviosuly know more about our players than We do! That way they could have Goulding at Centre like they did on GF & MM and saints can use him like a Turnstile again! Would that suit them better??? Plus it seems as though the rules to us signing Overseas players & receiving criticism doesnt apply to them when they do the same thing. Wigan 1st 17 average age 25 = 7 foreigners Saints 1st 17 average age 27+ = 6 foreginers.

Rogues Gallery wrote: Ainscough was still playing at U18 academy level the same as Foster. Gouding was injured and unable to train and consequently put on lot of weight. However he played more games than Phelps last season although Phelps stats are better. http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2008&hp1=1806&hs2=2008&hp2=2549&stat=tries&season=2008 Goulding is still only 20 years of age, and remembering what has happened in the past with players playing too much, too soon, it was probably in his best interests. As I said earlier have a look at Tyrer, Smith , Moore and McGilvray. Saints don't have a Centre in place for this season, why have one of the youngsters not been blooded ready to take Talaus place. What they have done is replaced one old man with another. Ive got a suggestion Rogues! Why don't the Saints Fans Pick our team as they obviosuly know more about our players than We do! That way they could have Goulding at Centre like they did on GF & MM and saints can use him like a Turnstile again! Would that suit them better??? Plus it seems as though the rules to us signing Overseas players & receiving criticism doesnt apply to them when they do the same thing. Wigan 1st 17 average age 25 = 7 foreigners Saints 1st 17 average age 27+ = 6 foreginers.

: Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:39 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote: Ainscough was still playing at U18 academy level the same as Foster. Gouding was injured and unable to train and consequently put on lot of weight. However he played more games than Phelps last season although Phelps stats are better. http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2008&hp1=1806&hs2=2008&hp2=2549&stat=tries&season=2008 Goulding is still only 20 years of age, and remembering what has happened in the past with players playing too much, too soon, it was probably in his best interests. As I said earlier have a look at Tyrer, Smith , Moore and McGilvray. Saints don't have a Centre in place for this season, why have one of the youngsters not been blooded ready to take Talaus place. What they have done is replaced one old man with another. You are not really comparing like for like though Rogues. Goulding played at the start of the season, Phelps at the end. For the last few seasons as a team we have been dire early to mid season and good towards the end. Goulding played centre. Phelps played wing mainly. I would be interested to see Phelps stats for the game v Leeds in the play offs. We should have never signed Phelps. He is a reserve grader. We could have played Stanton or Ainscough on the wing. We could have played Goulding or AThornley at centre.

Rogues Gallery wrote: Ainscough was still playing at U18 academy level the same as Foster. Gouding was injured and unable to train and consequently put on lot of weight. However he played more games than Phelps last season although Phelps stats are better. http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2008&hp1=1806&hs2=2008&hp2=2549&stat=tries&season=2008 Goulding is still only 20 years of age, and remembering what has happened in the past with players playing too much, too soon, it was probably in his best interests. As I said earlier have a look at Tyrer, Smith , Moore and McGilvray. Saints don't have a Centre in place for this season, why have one of the youngsters not been blooded ready to take Talaus place. What they have done is replaced one old man with another. You are not really comparing like for like though Rogues. Goulding played at the start of the season, Phelps at the end. For the last few seasons as a team we have been dire early to mid season and good towards the end. Goulding played centre. Phelps played wing mainly. I would be interested to see Phelps stats for the game v Leeds in the play offs. We should have never signed Phelps. He is a reserve grader. We could have played Stanton or Ainscough on the wing. We could have played Goulding or AThornley at centre.

: Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:45 pm  

http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2007&hp1=1806&hs2=2008&hp2=2549&stat=tries&season=2008 Goulding 2007 compares better statistically with Phelps 2008

http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2007&hp1=1806&hs2=2008&hp2=2549&stat=tries&season=2008 Goulding 2007 compares better statistically with Phelps 2008

: Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:38 pm  

I reckon if even I came back and played we would still whup their asses no chance at all pies