: Fri May 22, 2009 3:24 pm  

Badwanger wrote:

Wiganers are bound to say that Edwards/Gregory were better than Long/Martyn and vice versa - it's the Radlinski vs Wellens argument all over again.

BTW, I love it when anybody dares disagree with a Wiganer over RL, you ALWAYS know that persons opinion will always be branded as "rubbish", "foolish" etc or in your particular case you have used the phrase "appallingly inaccurate". You can see it coming a mile off.

HTH.

Well, where players are comparable, then yes you will get that argument. Of course you will.

But in the case of Edwards/Gregory v Long/Martyn, it's blindingly obvious that Edwards/Gregory are far superior. Only someone biased towards Saints would disagree. Either that,or someone who never saw Edwards/Gregory, which I suspect you haven't. YOu can't possibly have if you think Long and Martyn are better.

If you want to compare, say, Van Vollenhoven and Boston, or Farrell and Sculthorpe, then yes we can argue all day long. That's fine.

But in the case of the thread subject here, then there is no argument. You may as well compare fillet steak with rump roast.

: Fri May 22, 2009 3:43 pm  

ROBINSON wrote:

But in the case of the thread subject here, then there is no argument. You may as well compare fillet steak with rump roast.

For Long and Martyn to do what they with such "heavyweights" as Atcheson, Haigh, Smith, Goldspink, Hammond, Davidson, Pickavance, Edmondson, Jonkers, Stewart, Stankevitch, Hall, Henare, West and Ward around them, made their achievements as a half-back partnership all the more remarkable.

Shall we compare that to the Wigan teams who surrounded Gregory and Edwards?

: Fri May 22, 2009 3:50 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Not true.

I never rated him, neither did Ellery Hanley, and neither did any GB/ England coach.

Now, you can accuse me of bias (which of course I'm not) but how do you explain the others?

Leon Pryce is by far a better player than Martyn ever was.

Pryce is good but not in same league as tommy

: Fri May 22, 2009 3:53 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

Not sure about Harris. At his peak, he was an absolutely terriffic player.

Harris was best 6 to play super league.

: Sat May 23, 2009 8:50 am  

St pete wrote:

Harris was best 6 to play super league.

Harris as a young gun was un-stoppable, hated him at Leeds as you couldnt stop the mucker....we did right not takign him though and getting Scully.

: Sat May 23, 2009 9:29 am  

Badwanger wrote:

For Long and Martyn to do what they with such "heavyweights" as Atcheson, Haigh, Smith, Goldspink, Hammond, Davidson, Pickavance, Edmondson, Jonkers, Stewart, Stankevitch, Hall, Henare, West and Ward around them, made their achievements as a half-back partnership all the more remarkable.

Shall we compare that to the Wigan teams who surrounded Gregory and Edwards?

You can if you want. Edwards and Gregory played together in the late 80s, when the only superstars we had were Hanley and possibly Joe Lydon. The other players were people we brought through the ranks, like Brian Case, Shaun Wane and what have you, or people who were playing at lower clubs (or union clubs) and had potential, like David Stephenson, Steve Hampson and Andy Goodway. People like Offiah, Miles etc came a lot later.

It further blows your argument out of the water when you exclude players from your list like Sculthorpe, Martin Gleeson, Shiels, Chris Joynt, Darren Albert. There were many more superstars in Long/Martyn's team than there were Edwards/Gregory's.

: Sat May 23, 2009 9:56 am  

ROBINSON wrote:

You can if you want. Edwards and Gregory played together in the late 80s, when the only superstars we had were Hanley and possibly Joe Lydon. The other players were people we brought through the ranks, like Brian Case, Shaun Wane and what have you, or people who were playing at lower clubs (or union clubs) and had potential, like David Stephenson, Steve Hampson and Andy Goodway. People like Offiah, Miles etc came a lot later.

It further blows your argument out of the water when you exclude players from your list like Sculthorpe, Martin Gleeson, Shiels, Chris Joynt, Darren Albert. There were many more superstars in Long/Martyn's team than there were Edwards/Gregory's.

Yes doesn't it. Akin to leaving out Kevin Iro, Dean Bell, Graeme West, Phil Clarke as well as decent money paid for the like of Platt and Shelford. And people like Offiah and Miles did not come 'a lot later' by any stretch of the imagination.

: Sat May 23, 2009 10:05 am  

ROBINSON wrote:

WHAT?

Schofield and Myler? Really? Honestly?

Myler, in particular, was shiit.

You usually type sense, but to describe Tony Myler in this way is absolute rubbish.

: Sat May 23, 2009 10:07 am  

Darryl Powell in disguise wrote:

Yes doesn't it. Akin to leaving out Kevin Iro, Dean Bell, Graeme West, Phil Clarke as well as decent money paid for the like of Platt and Shelford. And people like Offiah and Miles did not come 'a lot later' by any stretch of the imagination.

Yes they did. Offiah, Miles, Shelford, Iro and Clarke played at Wigan in the 1990s. Edwards and Gregory played at Wigan in the 1980s.

Graeme West was not a big money signing - he was an amateur in New Zealand when he came to Wigan; Phil Clarke was home grown; Kevin Iro was an unknown 19 year old when he came to Wigan, unlike the seasoned, big money international he was when he played for you.

So, basically, you're taking rubbish.

: Sat May 23, 2009 10:18 am  

THELAST3YARDS wrote:

You usually type sense, but to describe Tony Myler in this way is absolute rubbish.

Ok to describe Myler as shiit was an overreaction, but he was nothing like as good as people make out, and certainly in no way is he the third best stand off ever, definitely not in front of Edwards in any case.

Quite how he was selected for GB in the 1986 test series is beyond me. But then again, Maurice Bamford was in charge, who also selected his mate, Deryck Fox at scrum half instead of Andy Gregory, played Joe Lydon (a winger/centre) at full back, and selected Castleford centre Tony Marchant on the wing, solely because he scored at Wembley the a few months prior, so no surprises there.

Myler? Nah.