Re: Challenge Cup Semi : Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:27 pm  

LFC Saint wrote:

You'd make an excellent solicitor for Walsh. Busy with ball in hand ? give over. I respect your opinion but it must be influenced with 6 or 7 pints.

That's what it looked like on the TV, anyway. The halfback who was almost anonymous tonight was Burns, not Walsh (notwithstanding his great shot on JJB late on). I'm not saying Walsh was great : his kicking was poor, and his defence is awful. However, I think that Saints are a team with a surprisingly weak attacking structure. We are essentially relying on forwards getting to the opposition 20 and then falling over the line from short range. Walsh is potentially an attacking halfback who can actually create space and set up play, but we don't seem to be able to use that unless Vea's on the field.

I think his stats for missed tackles will be woeful. But I think his stats for carries/passes might surprise you - he was very involved tonight.

Re: Challenge Cup Semi : Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:30 pm  

Roy Haggerty wrote:

That's what it looked like on the TV, anyway. The halfback who was almost anonymous tonight was Burns, not Walsh (notwithstanding his great shot on JJB late on). I'm not saying Walsh was great : his kicking was poor, and his defence is awful. However, I think that Saints are a team with a surprisingly weak attacking structure. We are essentially relying on forwards getting to the opposition 20 and then falling over the line from short range. Walsh is potentially an attacking halfback who can actually create space and set up play, but we don't seem to be able to use that unless Vea's on the field.

I think his stats for missed tackles will be woeful. But I think his stats for carries/passes might surprise you - he was very involved tonight.

Yes, once he had changed from passive to aggressive. Problem was no one else in the team had any idea he would do that, given his record with us.

Re: Challenge Cup Semi : Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:32 pm  

Savelio is one hell of a player.

Leeds too good more than Saints not being good enough for me.

Re: Challenge Cup Semi : Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:34 pm  

MadDogg wrote:

Savelio is one hell of a player.

Leeds too good more than Saints not being good enough for me.

I disagree; we were poor for most of the first half. Leeds were too good for us because of their off loading game. Stop that - and we didn't - Leeds are quite ordinary.

When dire beat them twice they were in their faces and stopped the Leeds game of offloading and beat them twice.

Re: Challenge Cup Semi : Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:49 pm  

Roy Haggerty wrote:

That's what it looked like on the TV, anyway. The halfback who was almost anonymous tonight was Burns, not Walsh (notwithstanding his great shot on JJB late on). I'm not saying Walsh was great : his kicking was poor, and his defence is awful. However, I think that Saints are a team with a surprisingly weak attacking structure. We are essentially relying on forwards getting to the opposition 20 and then falling over the line from short range. Walsh is potentially an attacking halfback who can actually create space and set up play, but we don't seem to be able to use that unless Vea's on the field.

I think his stats for missed tackles will be woeful. But I think his stats for carries/passes might surprise you - he was very involved tonight.

Our attack structure is poor. It's slow boring and predictable. Yes we score points against the likes of wakey, hull KR etc but when the big games come up its like we have to scrape a win. We can't put in a good attacking performance.

I've wrote the same thing on few threads tonight regarding this but I just can't work out the the hslves are just not good enough or its down to coaching

Re: Challenge Cup Semi : Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:55 pm  

We were not fantastic but neither did we roll over and get our tummies tickled.

I'd give us a 6 or 7 out of 10.

But Leeds looked a better team.

Despite that we had our chances and we could have done better than we did.

Those first 2 tries were soft we just let players run across the front of us.

Unlike the last 2 games we were at least at the races next time we may turn up before the first race has finished.

Re: Challenge Cup Semi : Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:08 pm  

saint at wire wrote:

I disagree; we were poor for most of the first half. Leeds were too good for us because of their off loading game. Stop that - and we didn't - Leeds are quite ordinary.

When dire beat them twice they were in their faces and stopped the Leeds game of offloading and beat them twice.

keep clutching, stupid thing to say that Leeds are ordinary if you stop the offload, easy to say, hard to do, too good for you tonight and 1-13 how many saints in a joint team, 3 or 4 maybe,

Re: Challenge Cup Semi : Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:11 pm  

suffolk rhinos wrote:

keep clutching, stupid thing to say that Leeds are ordinary if you stop the offload, easy to say, hard to do, too good for you tonight and 1-13 how many saints in a joint team, 3 or 4 maybe,

Best team won tonight. But you do offload more than any team, so if anyone (Warrington did) can stop it then you stop Leeds.

Re: Challenge Cup Semi : Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:27 pm  

That's like saying if you stop Barcelona scoring, they would be ordinary. Offloading is part of the game and if it was easy, every team would do it like Leeds.

That said, I think you have a gem in Savelio, he was bouncing off tackles.

Re: Challenge Cup Semi : Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:34 pm  

we missed Wilkin