Re: Rubbish, sack the coach!!!!! : Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:43 am  

St pete wrote:

But is he a threat ? I don't see him making breaks. He's playing like a backrow.

He's not making loads of breaks but defenders have to account for him, so it does make a bit more space and time for those around him.

Re: Rubbish, sack the coach!!!!! : Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:45 am  

Dux wrote:

He's not making loads of breaks but defenders have to account for him, so it does make a bit more space and time for those around him.

And is that helping us make breaks as I don't see us making many ?

He's a centre and will never make a 6. Sure if we have injuries play him there but we have two stand offs sat in the stand last week not making the 17.

Re: Rubbish, sack the coach!!!!! : Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:51 am  

Judder Man wrote:

He's more of a running threat out wide at centre, I'm assuming KC has him at 6 because of his defensive weakness which doesn't show up as much hiding behind the "middles pack". With both Swift and Percival out for a spell, Turner needs to go back at centre with Wilkin or Fages working alongside Walsh.

He's a good attacking centre, but my point is that when neither of our halves offer any running threat or even take the line on at all then the team becomes totally easy to defend against. For that reason I think it's worth sacrificing his attacking game at centre for the benefit of the team as a whole.

I'd rather have Fages at 6, too, but if KC isn't going to do that then Turner is the best option IMO.

In any case, I'd be looking to offload Turner at the end of the year and replace him with someone who excels in one position. He's a good centre with the ball in hand but his defence is appalling. As a stand off he's functional but not a lot more than that.

Re: Rubbish, sack the coach!!!!! : Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:54 am  

Talking of breaks, has anyone got the stats of where we stand making clean breaks compared to other teams ?

Re: Rubbish, sack the coach!!!!! : Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:57 am  

St pete wrote:

And is that helping us make breaks as I don't see us making many ?

He's a centre and will never make a 6. Sure if we have injuries play him there but we have two stand offs sat in the stand last week not making the 17.

We don't look great at the moment, but I think we looked a lot worse with Burns and Walsh in the halves. It's not just about making breaks but about stopping defences from getting loads of numbers into tackles and stopping us gaining ground. I agree that Turner isn't a stand off, but at least when he plays there the opposition have to consider the possibility that one of our ball players might run the ball.

As I posted above, I'd rather see Fages at 6, but I'd have Turner there before Burns. I don't know how much more of Turner's defence at centre I can handle, either. At least when he's playing 6 he defends one further out.

Re: Rubbish, sack the coach!!!!! : Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:21 am  

Dux wrote:

We don't look great at the moment, but I think we looked a lot worse with Burns and Walsh in the halves. It's not just about making breaks but about stopping defences from getting loads of numbers into tackles and stopping us gaining ground. I agree that Turner isn't a stand off, but at least when he plays there the opposition have to consider the possibility that one of our ball players might run the ball.

As I posted above, I'd rather see Fages at 6, but I'd have Turner there before Burns. I don't know how much more of Turner's defence at centre I can handle, either. At least when he's playing 6 he defends one further out.

Where did it all go wrong lol

Re: Rubbish, sack the coach!!!!! : Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:27 am  

St pete wrote: Talking of breaks, has anyone got the stats of where we stand making clean breaks compared to other teams ? So far this year we have made 27 clean breaks, putting us currently joint 5th. Interestingly Wigan despite winning a game more are all the way down in 10th. Inspite of all the issues raised by Saints fans, were also joint 2nd for total tries scored, with only Widnes scoring more (in an extra game). http://www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... club_stats

St pete wrote: Talking of breaks, has anyone got the stats of where we stand making clean breaks compared to other teams ? So far this year we have made 27 clean breaks, putting us currently joint 5th. Interestingly Wigan despite winning a game more are all the way down in 10th. Inspite of all the issues raised by Saints fans, were also joint 2nd for total tries scored, with only Widnes scoring more (in an extra game). http://www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... club_stats

Re: Rubbish, sack the coach!!!!! : Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:30 am  

Magic Superbeetle wrote: So far this year we have made 27 clean breaks, putting us currently joint 5th. Interestingly Wigan despite winning a game more are all the way down in 10th. Inspite of all the issues raised by Saints fans, were also joint 2nd for total tries scored, with only Widnes scoring more (in an extra game). http://www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... club_stats I'd like to see what they class as clean break as I can't remember to many this year. Wigan have looked poor this year too.

Magic Superbeetle wrote: So far this year we have made 27 clean breaks, putting us currently joint 5th. Interestingly Wigan despite winning a game more are all the way down in 10th. Inspite of all the issues raised by Saints fans, were also joint 2nd for total tries scored, with only Widnes scoring more (in an extra game). http://www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... club_stats I'd like to see what they class as clean break as I can't remember to many this year. Wigan have looked poor this year too.

Re: Rubbish, sack the coach!!!!! : Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:45 am  

St pete wrote:

I'd like to see what they class as clean break as I can't remember to many this year.

Wigan have looked poor this year too.

Vea and Swift are our main contributors to clean breaks, they are the ones doing the tackle busts alongside LMS and Walmsley, anybody else noticed we are using Walmsley a bit different this year we are using him as a decoy more and he has reduced his offloads.

Re: Rubbish, sack the coach!!!!! : Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:51 am  

I think the fact he takes on the line unlike Walsh means he draws players to him. Whether or not he breaks through