Re: Royce Gone !! : Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:15 pm  

St pete wrote:

Ignore her, she had a thing for Royce

Now I see why you wanted him out as well.



Have you two met up yet?

Re: Royce Gone !! : Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:19 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Now I see why you wanted him out as well.



Have you two met up yet?

Not yet but its not for the want of trying!

Re: Royce Gone !! : Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:39 pm  

Dux wrote:

Was it Mike McLennan? I seem to remember him leaving in the middle of that season in which we finished 8th. 93-4, if I remember correctly.

McClennan was allegedly sacked for off-the-field shenanigans with a couple of fans - sacking him for on-field reasons after we'd only just narrowly lost the league to the all-conquering Pies on a fraction of their available resources and then lost 2 of our best players without replacement would have put Royce's offing into perspective if so.

Re: Royce Gone !! : Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:41 pm  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

McClennan was allegedly sacked for off-the-field shenanigans with a couple of fans - sacking him for on-field reasons after we'd only just narrowly lost the league to the all-conquering Pies on a fraction of their available resources and then lost 2 of our best players without replacement would have put Royce's offing into perspective if so.

Didn't he throw pint over some fans?

So does anyone know when the last coach was sacked for on the field reasons?

I think it was Eric Hughes

Re: Royce Gone !! : Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:00 pm  

I,m backing McManus all the way, for some reason Royce has been going backwards each game this season with his coaching methods and looking at the body language of KP and RS at times you got the feeling we haven,t got an integrated team working for one another.
Royce has gone too far with this tactic of playing 16 men, rotating players and a complete lack of ability in getting his pivotal players organised.
It wouldn't,t surprise me if Mc Manus gets DA for a short spell in some consultant coaching role.

Re: Royce Gone !! : Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:02 pm  

Saw this on the text totally taken by surprise, so ok you guys that are all local whats the rumors or whispers, of who might be the new man in charge?

Would any one be interested in us trying for the "Wizzard" again? not that it would happen I dont think!!!

Re: Royce Gone !! : Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:03 pm  

St pete wrote:

after the total mess Royce has made of the recruitment we need one.

I keep hearing this but it's just not the case, yes Royce played a part in which players where brought in for this season, but ateotd he isn't solely responsible for the club's recruitment! It just doesn't work that way, the decision on who to buy is made by people higher up than the coach in RL, he simply states which positions we may need to add bodies in and suggests players that he thinks may be suitable, scouting, agreement on players, negotiations and purchases are handle by several people within the club including the MD & Chairman. It is very convenient to lay the blame solely at the door of the Coach.

He wouldn't have been involved in signing LMS, Perry, Shenton and I doubt whether he would have been greatly involved in Hohaia's recruitment either given the timing of his signing (factoring in scouting and negotiation periods), short of offering his opinion of the player from an NRL perspective.

So I'd argue that the only signings he'd have had any real influence over would be Flanaghan & Laffranchi neither of which have yet to be proven as bad signings.

Re: Royce Gone !! : Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:08 pm  

Tony Stark wrote:

I keep hearing this but it's just not the case, yes Royce played a part in which players where brought in for this season, but ateotd he isn't solely responsible for the club's recruitment! It just doesn't work that way, the decision on who to buy is made by people higher up than the coach in RL, he simply states which positions we may need to add bodies in and suggests players that he thinks may be suitable, scouting, agreement on players, negotiations and purchases are handle by several people within the club including the MD & Chairman. It is very convenient to lay the blame solely at the door of the Coach.

He wouldn't have been involved in signing LMS, Perry, Shenton and I doubt whether he would have been greatly involved in Hohaia's recruitment either given the timing of his signing (factoring in scouting and negotiation periods), short of offering his opinion of the player from an NRL perspective.

So I'd argue that the only signings he'd have had any real influence over would be Flanaghan & Laffranchi neither of which have yet to be proven as bad signings.

It's the three signings he's made this year that's going to be the long term problem. Im not saying lance, laffranchci and flanaghan ain't good players but they have been put in positions that they can't play.

It's obvious we are in dire need of a scrum half and prop but where they going to come from? He should have signed a scrum half instead of a fullback and a prop instead of a backrow.

Re: Royce Gone !! : Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:18 pm  

morleys_deckchair wrote:

haha.. good one.

yea he is a rubbish coach... his team is awful.

It isn't. But Saints fans are always blathering on about wanting more silverware and judging coaches by the amount of silverware their team has won and yet Brown has managed zero number of pots with Hudds in four years. I'd really like to know by what logic, therefore, Brown is better than either Potter or Royce. Yet it would seem some people believe he is the messiah.

Re: Royce Gone !! : Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:19 pm  

Tony Stark wrote:

I keep hearing this but it's just not the case, yes Royce played a part in which players where brought in for this season, but ateotd he isn't solely responsible for the club's recruitment! It just doesn't work that way, the decision on who to buy is made by people higher up than the coach in RL, he simply states which positions we may need to add bodies in and suggests players that he thinks may be suitable, scouting, agreement on players, negotiations and purchases are handle by several people within the club including the MD & Chairman. It is very convenient to lay the blame solely at the door of the Coach.

He wouldn't have been involved in signing LMS, Perry, Shenton and I doubt whether he would have been greatly involved in Hohaia's recruitment either given the timing of his signing (factoring in scouting and negotiation periods), short of offering his opinion of the player from an NRL perspective.

So I'd argue that the only signings he'd have had any real influence over would be Flanaghan & Laffranchi neither of which have yet to be proven as bad signings.

But KP has also been removed from post. The usual case in these circumstances would be for the assistant to take over once the coach goes, but the assistant going before a new man is put in place would seam to suggest that this runs deeper than just the coach.

As for Saints fan, I think that's partially an issue of pinning ones colours to the mast of one coach (Potter did just as well if not better than Royce but he did not get the same latitude). I thought and still do think Milward was our best coach. I think sacking him mid-season was a mistake. But once he was gone, then it's just tough and you have to back the new guys to put things right.