Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:15 am  

Beggars can't be choosers. A half-dozen games is hardly time enough to integrate fully into one of the most difficult positions on the pitch. It took Talau a full year to get going at centre. And let's not forget that he's a half-back recently moved into that role.

There's no point wailing about it. It's not like we've got a dozen young full-backs champing at the bit for a game.

Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:01 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

Beggars can't be choosers. A half-dozen games is hardly time enough to integrate fully into one of the most difficult positions on the pitch. It took Talau a full year to get going at centre. And let's not forget that he's a half-back recently moved into that role.

There's no point wailing about it. It's not like we've got a dozen young full-backs champing at the bit for a game.

It's the fact he won't do any contact in attack and defence which has nothing to do with only being here one week or one year.

Tackling at fullback and kick returns are not effected by game plans or being here a short time. Id kick to him all day as he cant hurt anyone with the ball.

The is no excuse for that williams try when he was basically skinned

Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:21 pm  

St pete wrote:

It's the fact he won't do any contact in attack and defence which has nothing to do with only being here one week or one year.

Tackling at fullback and kick returns are not effected by game plans or being here a short time. Id kick to him all day as he cant hurt anyone with the ball.

The is no excuse for that williams try when he was basically skinned

Thats correct, its the very basic element of the game to be able to tackle, his timing to defend is the worse I,ve seen in the Superleague and Championship. Great when he's being put through a gap and picking up an offload, but he is very much a passenger in defence, lets hope he can sort it out.

Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:26 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

Thats correct, its the very basic element of the game to be able to tackle, his timing to defend is the worse I,ve seen in the Superleague and Championship. Great when he's being put through a gap and picking up an offload, but he is very much a passenger in defence, lets hope he can sort it out.

The was always a reason why he doesn't play first grade and that's it. Funny that some wanted us to sign him for next year lol

Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:34 pm  

No different to Steve Prescott. I saw him beaten in a very similar manner by Sean Edwards at Knowsley Road.

He has neither the build nor the bulk to be a fullback. But he's all we've got.

Deal with it.

Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:45 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

No different to Steve Prescott. I saw him beaten in a very similar manner by Sean Edwards at Knowsley Road.

He has neither the build nor the bulk to be a fullback. But he's all we've got.

Deal with it.

Preccy was a much better defender one on one, he was good at bringing the ball back to the opposition, quite often beating the first man. He's scored quite a few 100 metre solo tries as well.

Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:48 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

Preccy was a much better defender one on one ....

I don't think so. Preccy was actually HANDED OFF by Edwards on that score. At least George Williams is quick.

Stevie could have been one of the greats with a few extra inches. But he was a horrible tackler.

Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:53 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

I don't think so. Preccy was actually HANDED OFF by Edwards on that score. At least George Williams is quick.

Stevie could have been one of the greats with a few extra inches. But he was a horrible tackler.

Preccy did make quite a few one on one tackles in his seasons, Quinny has not made any at all so far.

I think I,m going to leave Preccy alone now, just in case we start to go down the wrong road with this one

Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:03 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

Preccy did make quite a few one on one tackles in his seasons, Quinny has not made any at all so far.

Yeah, well - seasons vs games is not a fair comparison.

People really need to remember just how dire the situation was when Quinlan got the call. Sure, Tommy would do a good job. But only at the expense of an entire wing.

Besides, it's not as though great fullbacks are everywhere in this league. Take away Hardaker and you are left with a very shaky bunch indeed.

Wigan's starting fullback dropped more clangers earlier this season than anyone.

Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:10 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

Preccy did make quite a few one on one tackles in his seasons, Quinny has not made any at all so far.

I think I,m going to leave Preccy alone now, just in case we start to go down the wrong road with this one

Not sure why Steve Prescott's got brought up, however, in a Saints shirt I thought he was excellent in the fullback position. That isn't rose tinted specs, I genuinely thought he offered a lot in attack and was very very good on the 1 on 1 tackle.

And Shaun Edwards made everyone at some point look rather silly because he was a legend of the game. One of the greats.