Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:03 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

Why are we comparing? Oh I don't know. Perhaps it might have something to do with them both being small, sleight in frame and weak tacklers because of it? And no matter how fast Edwards was - others have already pointed out that Prescott was quick enough to go the length of the field. So no excuses. Certainly not for being handed off also.

For someone playing out of position, away from home and likely without any inducement to stay Quinlan is doing OK.

Steve Prescott was a few inches taller than Quinlan and easy had a stone on him and wasn't a weak tackler. So it's a poor comparison.

Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:09 pm  

Twentyman wrote:

Steve Prescott was a few inches taller than Quinlan and easy had a stone on him and wasn't a weak tackler. So it's a poor comparison.

Prescott's defence (and the early onset of his illness) was the difference between him staying and leaving Knowsley Road.

Aside from Jamie Lyon & Tommy Martyn I haven't seen a more naturally gifted player than Prescott. He was outstanding in all aspects of the game - apart from tackling.

He wasn't big enough and he was regularly brushed off. And now you are saying Quinlan is SMALLER than Prescott - playing in a league where the opposition is BIGGER than anything Prescott ever faced.

Yep. That explains it.

Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:21 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

Prescott's defence (and the early onset of his illness) was the difference between him staying and leaving Knowsley Road.

Aside from Jamie Lyon & Tommy Martyn I haven't seen a more naturally gifted player than Prescott. He was outstanding in all aspects of the game - apart from tackling.

He wasn't big enough and he was regularly brushed off. And now you are saying Quinlan is SMALLER than Prescott - playing in a league where the opposition is BIGGER than anything Prescott ever faced.

Yep. That explains it.

Is the opposition bigger now or is that yet another silly sweeping statement???

Prescott's tackling was never an issue from memory.

And Prescott didn't leave the club because of his defence...

Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:34 pm  

Twentyman wrote:

Is the opposition bigger now or is that yet another silly sweeping statement???

Prescott's tackling was never an issue from memory.

And Prescott didn't leave the club because of his defence...

Agreed. Prescott defence was never a issue unless he had to defend short to the line but his cover tackling was as good as any fullback.

His kick returns was top class, he often beat the first man and often went on to 60 or 70 meter breaks.

Tbh it's embarrassing to even talk of quinlan in the same breath as prescott as HES not in his league and never Willl be.

Prescott was tough, brave, full of heart and as we know he's a real fighter and Quinlan is non of those.

Quinlan is Leon Felton level of a player.

Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:39 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

Prescott's defence (and the early onset of his illness) was the difference between him staying and leaving Knowsley Road.

He left because he was short changed (salary) by Saints.

Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:49 pm  

Twentyman wrote:

Is the opposition bigger now or is that yet another silly sweeping statement???

I can't BELIEVE you are seriously suggesting teams are the same size today as they were when Prescott first emerged.

How many players in the Saints pack were over six-one when Eric Hughes was coach? Even Bomber?

Guys like Ryan Hall, Tom Lineham - even Burgess would have been certain second-row forwards. Hell - some are even big enough to play prop!

Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:50 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

He left because he was short changed (salary) by Saints.

EVERYONE was short-changed by Saints in those days. Talk to Les Quirk. He has one or two interesting stories to tell.

Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sat Sep 19, 2015 5:05 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

EVERYONE was short-changed by Saints in those days. Talk to Les Quirk. He has one or two interesting stories to tell.

Don't know, I use to speak to Les Quirk (The Original Barrow Arrow) when he came back as an electrician at BAE Systems in Barrow in Furness. He never mentioned anything about that. Do you know him.

Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sat Sep 19, 2015 5:26 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

I can't BELIEVE you are seriously suggesting teams are the same size today as they were when Prescott first emerged.

How many players in the Saints pack were over six-one when Eric Hughes was coach? Even Bomber?

Guys like Ryan Hall, Tom Lineham - even Burgess would have been certain second-row forwards. Hell - some are even big enough to play prop!

Muggers, there was plenty of players over 6"1 when Hughes was in charge.

Players were just as big when Prescott was playing. That Bulls side of 97 was huge including their wingers.

Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sat Sep 19, 2015 7:18 pm  

St pete wrote: Agreed. Prescott defence was never a issue unless he had to defend short to the line but his cover tackling was as good as any fullback. His kick returns was top class, he often beat the first man and often went on to 60 or 70 meter breaks. Tbh it's embarrassing to even talk of quinlan in the same breath as prescott as HES not in his league and never Willl be. Prescott was tough, brave, full of heart and as we know he's a real fighter and Quinlan is non of those. Quinlan is Leon Felton level of a player. I think this should put it to bed, on everything said above. Its the 1996 super league game at Wilderspool between Warrinton and Saints 1996. Enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZL3BSl200A

St pete wrote: Agreed. Prescott defence was never a issue unless he had to defend short to the line but his cover tackling was as good as any fullback. His kick returns was top class, he often beat the first man and often went on to 60 or 70 meter breaks. Tbh it's embarrassing to even talk of quinlan in the same breath as prescott as HES not in his league and never Willl be. Prescott was tough, brave, full of heart and as we know he's a real fighter and Quinlan is non of those. Quinlan is Leon Felton level of a player. I think this should put it to bed, on everything said above. Its the 1996 super league game at Wilderspool between Warrinton and Saints 1996. Enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZL3BSl200A