[Bulliac]

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:17 am  

Northern Lad wrote:

So the real issue why we're playing so badly is money? If that is the case then you believe the team is playing to it's full potential? I'm sorry but i don't agree, tactics, motivation e.t.c are the responsibility of the coach and have nothing to do with money. We have looked clueless at times and our attack is dire, we play one out rugby and it stinks, another reason why fans are staying away is it's just not attractive.

You try to go through the individual issues and explain it isn't the coaches fault, again i disagree. The coach is responsible for how the team perform and the results they get, to say there not just doesn't make sense. People seem to falling back on the money issue as a reason for our predicament, I believe the team has more potential than it's showing and I remember the posts on this board saying how we were all looking forward to the new season.

The coach IS responsible for results and where we are, he is there to get the best out of what he's got, from where I'm sat he's clearly not doing that.

Well the usual expectation is that `the buck stops here`, which isn`t necessarily always fair, injuries and loss of form aren`t necessarily the fault of the coach, but nevertheless expected I guess. But there is a much bigger picture, which is visible if people want to look beyond the obvious. As I`ve said previously, though the squad isn`t of the quality we`ve had before ( I`m sure you can remember a back line a teensy bit stronger than the current one) I agree we aren`t getting the best out of it.



Again, as I`ve said before, I don`t want to come over as someone who believes in Macca right or wrong, because I don`t I just believe, given the situation he should be cut a bit of slack. However, if he goes he goes, but I wouldn`t necessarily expect any newcomer to do better over the medium term given he would have the same background problems, and I can`t understand why fans dismiss these as though they don`t matter. Burying one`s head in the sand doesn`t make the problem disappear. Actually the problems would be marginally worse given the club would have to buy out Macca`s contract which wouldn`t be cheap.

Let`s hope the season can be turned around, I guess we can all agree on that.

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:35 am  

Think I'll be able to stop posting and put my feet up - Bulliac again says everything that I think needs to be said, in another quality post.

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:46 am  

Bulliac wrote:

As I`ve said previously, though the squad isn`t of the quality we`ve had before ( I`m sure you can remember a back line a teensy bit stronger than the current one) I agree we aren`t getting the best out of it.

I don't think anyone is expecting SL & CC victories, however Bulls have a squad that should compete with Hudds, Quins, Hulls, Wakey, Cas (& possibly others). You are at least 5 points behind all those, possibly 7 after Friday. If you accept you are as good on paper the financial prospects are largely irrelevant & it must be largely down to the coaching & management.

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:10 am  

tigertot wrote:

I don't think anyone is expecting SL & CC victories, however Bulls have a squad that should compete with Hudds, Quins, Hulls, Wakey, Cas (& possibly others). You are at least 5 points behind all those, possibly 7 after Friday. If you accept you are as good on paper the financial prospects are largely irrelevant & it must be largely down to the coaching & management.

I think you're confusing league position with competitiveness. Warrington is a case where we clearly did not compete, but in fact we have competed in most of our games, and even the basic scorelines surely show that, if nothing else?

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:52 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

I think you're confusing league position with competitiveness. Warrington is a case where we clearly did not compete, but in fact we have competed in most of our games, and even the basic scorelines surely show that, if nothing else?

An advantage of being relatively impartial is I can sit back & view relatively objectively. There is no confusion in my post, it's completely factual. I wouldn't expect anything less from you than to search for the positives from the season so far, I genuinely admire you for your loyalty, but some more cold, hard facts are Bulls have conceded more points than all the teams I mentioned, apart from Cas (by 2), but that is likley to significantly worse after Friday, & your points for is still likely to be by far the worse. Very few teams continue to lose by just a few points, eventually the psychology will get to you.

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:58 am  

i was asked by a young "bulls" fan over the weekend how much it was in to watch fax as he was thinking of coming over

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:11 pm  

I've got a fax that he can watch for free.

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:36 pm  

tigertot wrote:

An advantage of being relatively impartial is I can sit back & view relatively objectively. There is no confusion in my post, it's completely factual. I wouldn't expect anything less from you than to search for the positives from the season so far, I genuinely admire you for your loyalty, but some more cold, hard facts are Bulls have conceded more points than all the teams I mentioned, apart from Cas (by 2), but that is likley to significantly worse after Friday, & your points for is still likely to be by far the worse. Very few teams continue to lose by just a few points, eventually the psychology will get to you.

Thanks for that, but you're looking for a rose-tinted one-eyed partisanship that really wasn't there.

Bradford Bulls vs Hull KR 13 - 13. Not many points in that one. In fact, 0.
Bradford Bulls vs Huddersfield Giants 12 - 16 . Not many points in that one. Call it 4.
Bradford Bulls vs Hull FC 24 - 36 . Not many points in that one, but I'll concede not a close enough game to 'count' in my general argument
Catalans Dragons vs Bradford Bulls - 24 - 30. Not many points in that one. But again, we ended up the right side.
Castleford Tigers vs Bradford Bulls 28 - 26. Not many points in that one. 2, to be precise.
Catalans Dragons vs Bradford Bulls 40 - 38. Not many points in that one. 2 more, to be exact.
Bradford Bulls vs Leeds Rhinos 10-6 . Not many points in that one, but we were on the right side again.
Wakefield Wildcats vs Bradford Bulls 24 - 22. Not many points in that one. 2, to be precise.

The way we have been shipping in points, points difference is the more relevant measure for us so far.

Of the above games that we failed to win, the points differences were:-
12, 4, 2, 2, 2, 0.

These are cold, hard facts.

When you look at our points conceded, as you have, and indeed the aggregate points difference, the two unmitigated paggerings by Wire and Wigan obviously were a different category of loss altogether. We shipped over a century of points, FFS.

Bradford Bulls vs Warrington Wolves 22 - 58
Wigan Warriors vs Bradford Bulls 44-10

But bad though we were, they are not, on ANY view, what we have been doing all season. This, let's be clear, is in no way positive spin, or any spin, just listing the facts lest they be lost sight of.

On such narrow margins, an impartial observer would say it is fact that we could very easily have had four more league wins than we do, and still be in the Cup. It is fact that we have THROWN games away in some cases rather than having simply been beaten. It isn't good, but it is fact.

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:38 pm  

rugbyreddog wrote:

I've got a fax that he can watch for free.

I do honesty really like watching the fax machine at work, I get quite excited if I have to send one!

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:28 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Thanks for that, but you're looking for a rose-tinted one-eyed partisanship that really wasn't there.

Bradford Bulls vs Hull KR 13 - 13. Not many points in that one. In fact, 0.
Bradford Bulls vs Huddersfield Giants 12 - 16 . Not many points in that one. Call it 4.
Bradford Bulls vs Hull FC 24 - 36 . Not many points in that one, but I'll concede not a close enough game to 'count' in my general argument
Catalans Dragons vs Bradford Bulls - 24 - 30. Not many points in that one. But again, we ended up the right side.
Castleford Tigers vs Bradford Bulls 28 - 26. Not many points in that one. 2, to be precise.
Catalans Dragons vs Bradford Bulls 40 - 38. Not many points in that one. 2 more, to be exact.
Bradford Bulls vs Leeds Rhinos 10-6 . Not many points in that one, but we were on the right side again.
Wakefield Wildcats vs Bradford Bulls 24 - 22. Not many points in that one. 2, to be precise.

The way we have been shipping in points, points difference is the more relevant measure for us so far.

Of the above games that we failed to win, the points differences were:-
12, 4, 2, 2, 2, 0.

These are cold, hard facts.

When you look at our points conceded, as you have, and indeed the aggregate points difference, the two unmitigated paggerings by Wire and Wigan obviously were a different category of loss altogether. We shipped over a century of points, FFS.

Bradford Bulls vs Warrington Wolves 22 - 58
Wigan Warriors vs Bradford Bulls 44-10

But bad though we were, they are not, on ANY view, what we have been doing all season. This, let's be clear, is in no way positive spin, or any spin, just listing the facts lest they be lost sight of.

On such narrow margins, an impartial observer would say it is fact that we could very easily have had four more league wins than we do, and still be in the Cup. It is fact that we have THROWN games away in some cases rather than having simply been beaten. It isn't good, but it is fact.

Have to agree with that, and couldn't have worded it better myself. Although it's the same old from Macca "we're doing a lot of things right" it gets annoying, but most times it's true. When we marginally lose, we have to be doing a lot of stuff right, or it would be a pasting like at Wire or Wigan.