Club psychiatrist : Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:38 pm  

I see the Bulls have appointed Allan Johnston as possibly world rugby league's first official club psychiatrist. When I saw the headline, I assumed it was to examine the heads of the loyal fans, but apparently not, the club says his responsibilities will be split between players' personal welfare and performance.

Re: Club psychiatrist : Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:17 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

I see the Bulls have appointed Allan Johnston as possibly world rugby league's first official club psychiatrist. When I saw the headline, I assumed it was to examine the heads of the loyal fans, but apparently not, the club says his responsibilities will be split between players' personal welfare and performance.

Didnt Leeds have one the year we beat them at Murrayfield, however he had the opposite effect, made the team think they were all supermen and could do anything, clearly a collective fantasy at odds with reality.

Re: Club psychiatrist : Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:22 pm  

Are you sure he's a psychiatrist not a psychologist?
The former deal with mental illnesses, the latter with behavioural issues.

Re: Club psychiatrist : Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:05 pm  

BartonFlyer wrote:

Are you sure he's a psychiatrist not a psychologist?
The former deal with mental illnesses, the latter with behavioural issues.

A psychologist also deals with mental illness, following diagnosis by a psychiatrist. A psychiatrist can diagnose, recommend and prescribe medication, a psychologist would advise and administer therapy - such as cbt, talking therapy, psychology etc...

Maybe the guy does both?

Re: Club psychiatrist : Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:31 pm  

martinwildbull wrote:

Didnt Leeds have one the year we beat them at Murrayfield, however he had the opposite effect, made the team think they were all supermen and could do anything, clearly a collective fantasy at odds with reality.

You been a coma for 10 years or something?
You're not going to like what's been going on whilst you've been "away"

Re: Club psychiatrist : Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:59 am  

BartonFlyer wrote:

Are you sure he's a psychiatrist not a psychologist?

Well, he works as one, being a consultant psychiatrist at Derbyshire Health Care and NHS Foundation Trust, and associate psychiatrist to the State of Mind charity. But I do admit that I have not personally checked his certificates, so he could I suppose be making it up.

BartonFlyer wrote:

The former deal with mental illnesses, the latter with behavioural issues.

The chief distinction is that a psychiatrist is a fully qualified medical doctor, who's chosen to specialise in psychiatry. A psychologist isn't. I don't think your distinction is valid. For example, many psychologists deal with treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder. Which is a very common mental illness. Also of course, being a doctor, a psychiatrist can prescribe medicines as part of the treatment, but a psychologist can't. But your comment raises an interesting distinction, which I reckon most people don't understand.

I think your reference is probably to clinical psychologists, but psychologists come in many other different flavours, for example a marketing psychologist, who might advise Morrisons on how to increase sales through trixy marketing strategies. Or a forensic psychologist, or an educational psychologist. Or, of course, a sports psychologist.

Anyhoo, the good doctor defines his own role at the Bulls as

... equally divided between player welfare and player performance, so I have a foot in both camps.

“But it’s mainly welfare – getting to know the players and understanding their stresses and pressures.

I don't think he'll be treating much mental illness.

Bulls use the psychologist Dr. John Maruanka, who also works for City.

Re: Club psychiatrist : Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:56 am  

TBH, I think have a club psychiatrist is a positive step forward and one that should be emulated by other clubs, not just in SL but in the whole of RL. In fact, I'd go a step further and say it is the RFL's DUTY to provide someone to fill this role within all clubs under its remit.

An RL player's career is a short one when compared against other career paths and there's not as much scope beyond playing days for a lot of these guys, combine that with the risk of serious head injury that all RL players face every time they make or are on the receiving end of a tackle. That carries the risk of serious mental health issues.

Then there's also the case of poor Terry Newton. If there'd been mental healthcare professionals in the sport at that time, perhaps he'd still be with us.

Re: Club psychiatrist : Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:19 am  

ryano wrote:

You been a coma for 10 years or something?
You're not going to like what's been going on whilst you've been "away"

It is carefully qualified with the words "the year".

Re: Club psychiatrist : Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:48 am  

I asked for clarification out of interest as Mrs Bartonflyer is a retired consultant forensic psychiatrist who spent her career dealing with severely mentally ill patients who had committed serious crimes.
Many sporting organisations have used psychologists but I wasn't aware of any emploing a psychiatrist, an interesting move for Bradford which will be fascinating to follow to see what the impact is.

Re: Club psychiatrist : Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:21 am  

Well, one impact is on his paypacket, as he says he has agreed some sort of "performance related pay" deal, where he gets paid more the better we do in the league! Does this shrink the odds of not making the playoffs?