: Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:25 pm  

I_Pitty_Stevo wrote:

For me, VP is very badly situated; It is far from easy to reach from the motorway without hitting the town centre, parking is attrocious, and there is little potential from further development (if my memory serves me correctly in regards to the councils refusal to grant future planning applications a few years back.

For me, neither VP or Odsal is a viable unified stadium for the city and so a totally new development is, in my humble opinion, probably the only option.

Somewhat agreed, although the council reportedly granted us permission to build a second tier to the Midland Road stand whilst we were in the premiership which would have taken the capacity to 30,000. However even if this is possible, i believe the future of both clubs is further out of the city Centre in a new community stadium. But i just cant see it happening with the record the council has.

Oh and on the subject of all seater stadiums, if fans continue to keep up the pressure on the government to review safe standing at football grounds and they adopt a similar scheme to the German leagues where small safe standing sections are allowed, then hopefully any future stadium may not need to be completely all seated

: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:22 pm  

So people seriously think someone should rustle up £30m + to build a new stadium for two clubs, when there's a perfectly acceptable stadium there already which needs no further developing, OK, good thinking.

Some Bulls "supporters" have to get over themselves, adapt or die - if your support of the club is dependant on not having to drive for 10 more minutes, or catch a bus then you don't deserve a club anyway.

I_Pitty_Stevo wrote:

For me, VP is very badly situated;

Yep, so bad 13,000 people make it there to watch fourth division football every couple of weeks, it's practically in the middle of nowhere.

: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:34 pm  

Asim wrote:

So people seriously think someone should rustle up £30m + to build a new stadium for two clubs, when there's a perfectly acceptable stadium there already which needs no further developing, OK, good thinking.

Some Bulls "supporters" have to get over themselves, adapt or die - if your support of the club is dependant on not having to drive for 10 more minutes, or catch a bus then you don't deserve a club anyway.


Yep, so bad 13,000 people make it there to watch fourth division football every couple of weeks, it's practically in the middle of nowhere.

maybe you need to get over your barely hidden agenda to get bulls shifted to valley parade because its handy for yourself?

: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:35 pm  

mat wrote:

maybe you need to get over your barely hidden agenda to get bulls shifted to valley parade because its handy for yourself?

I live closer to Odsal

: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:47 pm  

Asim wrote:

I live closer to Odsal

but you've always gone out of your way to promote valley parade over odsal at every opportunity. fact is majority of bulls fan dont like vp. A shared stadium outside city Centre might be a goer as both sets of fans would be giving something up but we'd always just be unwanted guests at vp and to a lesser extent the reverse would be true at odsal.
If we hadnt been treated like s**t by stewards at vp last time we ground shared then it might have been an option. If we moved their now we'd undo all good work we've done last couple of years building crowds up again following our last visit to vp

: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:59 pm  

mat wrote:

but you've always gone out of your way to promote valley parade over odsal at every opportunity. fact is majority of bulls fan dont like vp. A shared stadium outside city Centre might be a goer as both sets of fans would be giving something up but we'd always just be unwanted guests at vp and to a lesser extent the reverse would be true at odsal.
If we hadnt been treated like s**t by stewards at vp last time we ground shared then it might have been an option. If we moved their now we'd undo all good work we've done last couple of years building crowds up again following our last visit to vp

I understand your concerns but our stewards have improved now. Its not just the bulls fans they were treating badly, they were treating city fans badly, they were bad heavy handed stewards under bad management. However i would certainly prefer a new community stadium outside the city Centre.

: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:59 pm  

mat wrote:

but you've always gone out of your way to promote valley parade over odsal at every opportunity.

I'd prefer to watch RL at Odsal but it isn't realistic in the long run, without millions of pounds appearing from nowhere.

mat wrote:

A shared stadium outside city Centre might be a goer as both sets of fans would be giving something up

Why give up a modern stadium, to simply build another? As I said above where do you think the £30m + needed to build a new stadium somewhere is going to come from. As a Bradfordian I'd be furious if the council wasted my money on such a project and I support both teams, I can only imagine the reaction of most of the council tax-payers in the district, it isn't going to happen.

mat wrote:

If we moved their now we'd undo all good work we've done last couple of years building crowds up again following our last visit to vp

If 2,000 supporters won't go to VP then I question whether they can call themselves supporters, the facts are if the club stay at Odsal in it's current form there won't be a club for much longer, if some people prefer that than having to sit down to watch their rugby then so be it.

: Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:14 pm  

bradford city dont have a stadium to give up. They dont own it anymore they are in same situation as us. They lease it. A new community stadium could have provision for standing areas which is biggest problem bulls fans have with vp apart from location. Also a new stadium is something both clubs would have an equal stake in which would go a long way to eliminating the them and us attitude that currently prevales.

As for funding it, if council put in funds raised by selling off odsal plus richard dunn plus extra grants available through football side of things then i'd imagine we would be pretty much there. Council will have to put some money in but they've got to do something about richard dunn anyway and if they are prepared to spend 24million on a park outside city hall that no one in the city wants then they should be prepared to fund this as well.

: Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:54 pm  

It will be a sad day if it came to the point where we had to move in to VP. I am not overly sentimental and could cope with leaving Odsal but a move to VP could well have a similar result to staying at Odsal without it being redeveloped. I think.. in fact I am sure the support would drop quite significantly.. can we afford that either?

I pray there will be solution to our ground problem.. but after so many years of trying.. it is hard to see it coming off. Hell.. I think I'd rather watch the Bulls at the Galpharm before going to VP!!

: Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:09 pm  

mat wrote:

bradford city dont have a stadium to give up. They dont own it anymore they are in same situation as us. They lease it. A new community stadium could have provision for standing areas which is biggest problem bulls fans have with vp apart from location. Also a new stadium is something both clubs would have an equal stake in which would go a long way to eliminating the them and us attitude that currently prevales.

City can't agree to move into a stadium with standing areas, if they did they'd be saying they'd be happy to stay in the bottom two divisions forever, that isn't going to happen.

It would be a lot cheaper and easier for the council to buy Valley Parade than to have to find the sort of funding required to build a new stadium, despite what Dan155 and a few kids on the City official board might think there is no chance whatsoever that the core support at Valley Parade will give that stadium up for some soulless plastic development on some out of town site after what happened in 1985, it's something that you can't really hope to explain to someone who doesn't have to live with it, the attachment of people to Odsal is nothing compared to the attachment long standing City fans have to VP. Like it or not there is a modern stadium there and available for use, it is the only realistic option to keep top flight RL in the city.

Wigan fans didn't like the JJB at first, but they've come flocking back in recent seasons, like I say if people won't support a club because they have to sit down then they are not worth having as supporters anyway.