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: Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:18 pm  
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In that case can we assume that af cannot make any judgement then for the same reason?

Or is it different because he is being positive?


Who said anything about not being allowed to make any judgment?

At issue is your de facto statement that there has been nothing whatsoever deserving credit for a while, and your seeming belief that you are the man to make that judgment. And, as I said, who the hell are you to make that judgment?

Since you have brought someone else into it: I don't recall af taking such a conceited, one-eyed attitude to an issue - maybe you could point us to where he has? If he has or does, then the same reproach would be entirely appropriate IMO.
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: Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:25 pm  
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Since you have brought someone else into it: I don't recall af taking such a conceited, one-eyed attitude to an issue - maybe you could point us to where he has? If he has or does, then the same reproach would be entirely appropriate IMO.


And who the hell are you to come out with stuff like this? TBH Adey, whilst you try to be condesending to everyone and try to outsmart them with clever words and phrases, you, like me, are just another message board nobody that no-one cares about.
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: Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:29 pm  
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What judgements has af made that you would say he cannot make for this reason?


Adey is in the long line of people on here who have a problem with my opinion because I am not at the games, I was merely asking him if the same applies to af, given that people do not have a go at him for not going to games yet making opinions?

It is blatantly two faced but, then again, because you and Adey agree with him, you won't pass comment on it.

How hypocritical you two are.
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: Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:57 pm  
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And who the hell are you to come out with stuff like this? TBH Adey, whilst you try to be condesending to everyone and try to outsmart them with clever words and phrases, you, like me, are just another message board nobody that no-one cares about.


So you acknowledge you lost the argument? I'm just taking you on at your own game sunshine, and by the looks of things landed a few telling blows. Its not my fault if you don't like getting a taste of your own approach thrown back at you. I doubt you'd like to hear what various people I talk to at the ground think of your attitude. Not your opinions, note; your attitude.

As for message board nobodies that no-one cares about - the big difference is that I don't actually want (or need) to be a "message board somebody". I'd hardly have kept clear of this (and any other) board for nearly a year otherwise, would I? I came back, for now anyway, because I was asked - by several people.

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Adey is in the long line of people on here who have a problem with my opinion because I am not at the games, I was merely asking him if the same applies to af, given that people do not have a go at him for not going to games yet making opinions?

It is blatantly two faced but, then again, because you and Adey agree with him, you won't pass comment on it.

How hypocritical you two are.


Really? In fact, I brought the fact that you don't go to the games to demonstrate that you cannot be as informed as someone who does.

It would normally be nobody's business whether you went to games or not; you don't have to go to games (any or every) to be a supporter and to hold whatever opinion you want, and to express that opinion - within reason. However, when "supporter" has morphed into what you have become - with your incessant negative barrage against pretty well everything to do with the club, its coaching staff and most of its players - while still calling yourself a supporter - then people would at least expect you to be as well informed as you could be?

And I'm not sure how most observers would believe a keyboard warrior from afar can be sufficiently-well informed to be able to express such seemingly immovable and entrenched opinions with sufficient credibility.

af is in a similar situation, as you keep pointing out now you are getting upset at perceived difference in treatment (although I think you'll find he is nevertheless better informed than you are, but that's not central to the issue). The difference is in the way that af expresses his opinions, and how (unless driven to it by extreme frustration) he does not try to ram them down everyone's throats at every available opportunity.

There comes a point where constructive criticism, and even criticism borne out of frustration (and God knows we can all relate to that, and may well feel more of the same by the end of the weekend!) crosses a line and becomes an obsession; when it becomes an end in itself. That is where it seems to me that you are at now

And that is why I urge you to think about why you started posting on here - it was because you were a supporter, right? Its very unhealthy if all the supporters toe the club line; but if you are going to constantly criticise everything without ever allowing that there may be reasons for why things are as they are, then that's surely equally unhealthy?

I apologise to the board in general for all this argument. I have said my piece now and you won't get this again - life's too bloody short. I've tried over recent months to deal with this through the PM system, but without success.

Anyway...

mumbyisgod wrote:
anybody heard anything else about Sam's injury ?

Exactly! THIS is surely what we should be talking about, rather than fighting amongst ourselves? Anyway, this from the T&A:

"In-form Burgess limped off against Huddersfield to give fans more reason for concern but he soon returned to the fray and will be fine for the crucial trip."

Hopefully this will be the case, and good news therefore!
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: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:30 pm  
think you've summed it up pretty well there and in a relatively calm and erudite manner :CLAP: :CLAP: :CLAP:
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: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:46 pm  
Week 4 = Silverwood :?:
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: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:48 pm  
Yup, I'd agree with most of that. Go back through my posts and you'll see I tend to venture opinions, ask others what they thought, question what they say when it doesn't seem to tally with what I know or what I've heard from other people who have gone to the game - my dad, my brother, my uncle, folk on here, journos.

You don't need to have been at the Battle of Hastings to have an opinion on it. Historians would love to be able to interview an eye-witness, yet they may well already have a better idea of why Harold lost than any poor sod on the scene despite living a thousand years hence. If however all they had to say was 'He lost, he was useless, end of. Fact', they wouldn't be very good historians.

I think the difference between you and I is that while my view - SM is not perfect but probably our best option - is one that is compatible with all aspects of how the Bulls' perform, creditworthy or not, you seem to have headed to an extreme where you feel comfortable stating this...

ME wrote:
Not fair TBH. I will give credit where it is due. It is just that I have not needed to do so for a while at Odsal.

If you can find anything creditable about a club that has drawn one match and narrowly lost another then I'm afraid you lose credibility.

Now if this sounds like me (ie me, not M.E.), Adey and FA trying to silence Eddie... it's not, certainly not from me and I'm pretty confident not from the other two as well. But if you post your opinion on here, you're fair game for criticism. If you feel you get more than your fair share, maybe that's because you make sweeping generalisations without evidence.
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: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:55 pm  
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think you've summed it up pretty well there and in a relatively calm and erudite manner :CLAP: :CLAP: :CLAP:


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: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:58 pm  
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Now if this sounds like me (ie me, not M.E.), Adey and FA trying to silence Eddie... it's not, certainly not from me and I'm pretty confident not from the other two as well.


Make "pretty confident" instead "100% certain".

All I want to see is the old Mystic Eddie back - the one who always had a sensible and considered opinion, before the Dark Side of the Board got him. Whatever happened to him? Its not too late to escape the Dark Side...you know you can do it. You know you want to do it!
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: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:58 pm  
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If you can find anything creditable about a club that has drawn one match and narrowly lost another then I'm afraid you lose credibility.



Agreed. I cannot find anything creditable, so why are you arguing? :wink:
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