: Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:53 pm  

mat wrote:

as someones already said don't think jimmys ready to stand on his own as a head coach yet. Think maccas totally lost the dressing room now and has to go along with his entire backroom staff with the exception of medley.

I'd be tempted to appoint lowes as head coach with medley stepping upto assistant and morrison also acting as assistant but with someone like millward as director of rugby to support jimmy for first couple of years. Which in hindsight is maybe the route we should have taken with macca.

Go for your life. Are you paying?

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:56 pm  

debaser wrote:

Go for your life. Are you paying?

thats the big problem everyones ignoring - its great saying macca has to go but we can't afford to pay him and his staff off and then employ someone else - perfect catch 22 situation. Realistically we arent going to see a change in the coaching staff until the end of the season

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:58 pm  

mat wrote:

thats the big problem everyones ignoring - its great saying macca has to go but we can't afford to pay him and his staff off and then employ someone else - perfect catch 22 situation. Realistically we arent going to see a change in the coaching staff until the end of the season

But then we'll still have to pay them all of because they're contracted till the end of 2010

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:53 pm  

We cannot afford not to pay them off. When the crowds reduce even further we loose money at the turnstiles, merchandise and sponsorship will then decline.
A change of coach with a winning team will add 3-4000 to the gates, thats about £72,000 extra income per game. Macca's pay off could be paid for from 1 or 2 home games with increased crowds.
I'd go for Hanley as coach with Forshaw and Sculthorpe as assisstants.

What ever happens it needs to happen fast. Leave Macca in charge for our usual hammering at Saints and bring the new coach in the week after when we have a chance of winning.

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:57 pm  

leedsbull wrote:

We cannot afford not to pay them off. When the crowds reduce even further we loose money at the turnstiles, merchandise and sponsorship will then decline.
A change of coach with a winning team will add 3-4000 to the gates, thats about £72,000 extra income per game. Macca's pay off could be paid for from 1 or 2 home games with increased crowds.
I'd go for Hanley as coach with Forshaw and Sculthorpe as assisstants.

What ever happens it needs to happen fast. Leave Macca in charge for our usual hammering at Saints and bring the new coach in the week after when we have a chance of winning.

Do these people not have to:
a) be available
b) want to come
c) be coaches
d) be cheap or preferably free

Or do we just choose anyone at random?

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:33 pm  

You could have Lowes back in exchange for your pre-game entertainment!
That singer is great!

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:34 pm  

what?

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:39 pm  

leedsbull wrote:

We cannot afford not to pay them off. When the crowds reduce even further we loose money at the turnstiles, merchandise and sponsorship will then decline.

Agree totally with your second point. Don't agree that the first point necessarily follows at all though - see below.

leedsbull wrote:

A change of coach with a winning team will add 3-4000 to the gates,

Evidence? Or opinion? And even if it did, it would hardly happen overnight. Personally I do not think you would see anything like that increase (although you would surely arrest the decline and expect some more to return). You'll only get a big increase by attracting new fans, and that basically means the kids and the families again. The marketing, in fact. Would all take time to have any significant effect.

leedsbull wrote:

thats about £72,000 extra income per game.

Is it? What matters is the incremental contribution (call it "gross profit" for on here), and that would be far less than the figure you quote. People always forget the VAT too... At least one other regular contributor on here was in the meeting when a chief exec told us the figure, which I think we need to keep to ourselves obviously.

leedsbull wrote:

Macca's pay off could be paid for from 1 or 2 home games with increased crowds.

Except, how much would that payoff need to be? I've said before it would likley be rather more than many people assume. And see my comments above regarding how long it would take to increase the crowds, and why your figure is anyway far too high. My guess is you'd be lucky to recover the termination costs over the full season, if that, even with a very decent crowd increase.

leedsbull wrote:

I'd go for Hanley as coach with Forshaw and Sculthorpe as assisstants.

Ill leave others to debate those choices from a coaching perspctive. But I just wonder if you appreciate just how much more than our existing coaching team that lot would cost, if indeed you were able to entice them - remember you'd have to settle with clubs for existing contracts. I'd guess at at at least double, plus compensation, but that's speculation. So that's even bigger gates again that you'd need.

leedsbull wrote:

What ever happens it needs to happen fast. Leave Macca in charge for our usual hammering at Saints and bring the new coach in the week after when we have a chance of winning.

I'm sure your suggestions are genuine and well-meaning, but I just can't see how the numbers will ever add up.

All that said, something needs to change - and if we cannot afford to do anything at all to change the status quo then we really are fekked.

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:42 pm  

Side Burns wrote:

You could have Lowes back in exchange for your pre-game entertainment!
That singer is great!

That was a great pre-match band IMO - amidst all the rest of the crapness I think recognition of that got lost. The guy in front of me sings and plays in a similar band, and he was well impressed with them.

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:44 pm  

[quote="Adeybull"]Except, how much would that payoff need to be? I've said before it would likley be rather more than many people assume./quote]

Roughly how much do we reckon we're talking here? I couldn't even begin to speculate myself. How long is left on Macca's contract nyway?