: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:40 pm  

tigertot wrote:

I hadn't noticed - that's how PC I am.

: Mon Jul 06, 2009 10:05 pm  

tigertot wrote:

This winter a colleague claimed his road in Wibsey had been gritted for the first time because there are now a number of Asians living on it.

FFS...

: Mon Jul 06, 2009 10:14 pm  

Asim wrote:

As the rest of your post illustrates Bradford isn't really "multi-cultural" it's segregated and, to be honest, I think it is worse in that regard now than it was when I was younger.

There's several areas where it is segregated, areas like Manningham and Lidget Green immediately spring to mind.
However, your next post sums up what I was going to say, you lived in Idle with few problems, and that justifies its a multi-cultural area, as are other districts within Bradford. Wibsey, where I live, despite what tigertot says (which I find unbelievable) was always considered multi-cultural in my eyes, and somewhere where racial tension was at a minimal.

The thing what upsets me is the common racist assosciation of "Pakis" being the root of all muggings, thefts etc within Bradford. These sort of idiotic views only further enhance racism and segregated districts within Bradford. On the flip side, people coming into the country that can't speak English also further enhances segregated communities. I believe anyone coming into the country should have a grasp of English to interact within the community, does that viewpoint make me racist?

: Mon Jul 06, 2009 10:36 pm  

AaronBull wrote:

Wibsey, where I live, despite what tigertot says (which I find unbelievable) was always considered multi-cultural in my eyes

Really? It's a shade darker than Buttershaw maybe, but it's still whiter than white.

: Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:51 am  

AaronBull wrote:

I believe anyone coming into the country should have a grasp of English to interact within the community, does that viewpoint make me racist?

That would be ideal, but as a large number of Bradford's Asians, as I understand it, come from peasant areas of Pakistan, predominantly Mirpur, it is unrealistic. What is essential is access to English lessons when they arrive, whether this should be compulsory & how it would be funded is open to discussion. My colleague with the gritted road in WIbsey thinks they should all speak English when they arrive, surprisingly.
It doesn't make you racist, what I find depressing is the reluctance of people to discuss the issues in a proper manner.

: Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:54 am  

AaronBull wrote:

It's a cracking article.

It does sum up the many districts of Bradford, and how some feel ashamed to be involved with such a multi-cultural city, and assosciate the city as 'Brad-istan', and vote for the BNP and such. Yet some are proud of Bradford's cultural diversity and aren't afraid to be friends and assosciate with Asians, and therefore understand how ignorant some of the stereotypical things the youth of today utter are.

I am proud to be from Bradford and have many Asian friends and think the "white trash" element of the city don't help matters.

However,

It's not just the white element that cause the problems. There are groups of Asian boys (I can't call them men after what happened to me last night), that think they own the city and are owed something by society.

Last night I was driving across the city to Forster square train station with my wife and two girls of 3 years and 10 months old. The incident in question occurred between the cineworld site and Tescos towards Canal road.

I was in the left hand lane all along and had no opportunity to "cut-up" anyone whilst driving when a couple of young boys in a Subaru Impreza hurtled up behind us. I kept drving along just keeping an eye on what they were doing and they screeched up along side us and started papping the horn and gesturing to me. I just ignored them (I wouldn't of done had I been on my own) and they then worded to me that they would "effin" kill me and then "f%*k" my wife and daughter whilst pointing at them.

I stayed pretty calm as I didn't want to get into anything with the kids being in the car. I have lived in Bradford (as has my wife) for all of our 31 years and I have never experienced anything like this in all my time here.

My wife was so upset that she is now talking of emigrating - I've told her that you can't let people like that win and would she have said the same if they were white - to which she said YES, Bradford, in fact this country is dead.

The city is in a complete mess and there are too many "Asian only" and "White only" areas. This city is absolutely knackered and is not going to get any better. The development of the city centre is a must to generate local jobs for all people, as is the OSV. The city needs to show that it is re-building for the future and these two projects are key to assist in this.

I know that this was a single incident - but who in there right mind would act like that to a couple with a young family.

They'll get there comeuppance I'm sure as they'll select the wrong person at some time and get what's coming to them.

I thought of this article immediately after I'd had chance to calm down and thought I should vent my spleen on the subject.

: Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:00 am  

Horrible behaviour, but cnuts are cnuts.



I do wonder why it is that so many young men, white and asian, feel they have nothing invested in society and so the best way to carry on is as you have described. I suspect that being illiterate and innumerate is probably the thing that makes them decide that their only way to achieve any feeling of self-worth is to take advantage of other people's respect for the basic rules of human decency.

: Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:06 am  

Yeah, that's awful, but the colour of these t0ssers skin or the race is irrelevent really. They are just t0ssers and unfortunately there is a lot of them out there, mainly young "men", but all colours. It's not a Bradford-specific problem, its everywhere. There is these people who think they can do what they like, to whoever they like. And they do seem to get away with it. There is a general lack of respect throughout society these days. A lack of respect for each other as humans. Horrible.

: Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:15 am  

[quote="af"]Horrible behaviour, but cnuts are cnuts[/quote

This is far from an isolated incident. It happens all the time but most people don't report it. More to the point, it is not a new thing - it has been happening for years.
My mate used to live up Whetley Lane until recently with his wife, who is Indian. They recieved terrible racist abuse and the sort of harrasment described in the post. They went to the police. The police advice? 'move house'.

: Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:20 am  

Johnoco wrote:

af wrote:

Horrible behaviour, but cnuts are cnuts

This is far from an isolated incident. It happens all the time but most people don't report it. More to the point, it is not a new thing - it has been happening for years.
My mate used to live up Whetley Lane until recently with his wife, who is Indian. They recieved terrible racist abuse and the sort of harrasment described in the post. They went to the police. The police advice? 'move house'.

Nightjack and Inspector Gadget offer some insight on this.