Re: Cas 34 Bulls 30, all post-match discussion here : Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:48 am  

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... d_general/ Here's a link. Agree with above. Probably the best piece of critical analysis I've read from Connor.

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... d_general/ Here's a link. Agree with above. Probably the best piece of critical analysis I've read from Connor.

Re: Cas 34 Bulls 30, all post-match discussion here : Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:01 am  

Very good piece.

That said, its only really what a lot of people have been saying on this forum for most of the season. Analysing the problem would appear to be a whole lot easier than solving it....

Re: Cas 34 Bulls 30, all post-match discussion here : Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:23 am  

Best piece from Connor for ages IMO. And not just saying that because I agree with all of it!

Re: Cas 34 Bulls 30, all post-match discussion here : Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:59 am  

Finally a critical piece. A very good piece of sports journalism from Connor.

Re: Cas 34 Bulls 30, all post-match discussion here : Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:05 pm  

I like the article although I think he could have pointed the finger more at certain players (lynch and hargreaves etc)

I have one issue RE Herbert/ HB situation and would like to know others thoughts. If it is agreed that he is a better SO and we are lacking the organising SH, has Herbert shown more than BJ for the SO role. Herbert is 24 and has shown v good glimses of what we will want from a SO if we sign an organising scrum half. I just dont see BJ EVER leading us to top 4, whereas Herbert can/is improving and his game could kick us on with the right HB partner and some more effective weapons on the fringes. Thoughts?

Re: Cas 34 Bulls 30, all post-match discussion here : Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:09 pm  

slideby wrote:

I have one issue RE Herbert/ HB situation and would like to know others thoughts. If it is agreed that he is a better SO and we are lacking the organising SH, has Herbert shown more than BJ for the SO role. Herbert is 24 and has shown v good glimses of what we will want from a SO if we sign an organising scrum half. I just dont see BJ EVER leading us to top 4, whereas Herbert can/is improving and his game could kick us on with the right HB partner and some more effective weapons on the fringes. Thoughts?

agree with that re herbert. think herbert may have to be sacrificed to get us the organising half though assuming we have to go overseas. if it was straight preference I'd stick with herbert over jeffries but jeffries has advantage of not counting on quota.

Re: Cas 34 Bulls 30, all post-match discussion here : Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:56 pm  

mat wrote:

agree with that re herbert. think herbert may have to be sacrificed to get us the organising half though assuming we have to go overseas. if it was straight preference I'd stick with herbert over jeffries but jeffries has advantage of not counting on quota.

I'd sooner sacrifice Ah Van to be honest. Ah Van started well but has got worse IMO, albeit not necessarily playing in his best position. What he offers could be offered by others, including the goal kicking. So, if it comes down to a choice between the two, then I'd be looking ot keep Herbert.

Re: Cas 34 Bulls 30, all post-match discussion here : Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:01 pm  

paulwalker71 wrote:

I'd sooner sacrifice Ah Van to be honest. Ah Van started well but has got worse IMO, albeit not necessarily playing in his best position. What he offers could be offered by others, including the goal kicking. So, if it comes down to a choice between the two, then I'd be looking ot keep Herbert.

this is exactly my thought process. An upgrade for Herbert will cost $$$ and a quota when Ah Van has done nothing to suggest he cant be replaced relatively cheaply or with youngsters. Wing is an easy position to fill, and we have 2 others in the role that most people on here rate. herbert is the best we have in his position, is improving and it is the most difficult position to recruit.

Re: Cas 34 Bulls 30, all post-match discussion here : Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:35 pm  

slideby wrote:

this is exactly my thought process. An upgrade for Herbert will cost $$$ and a quota when Ah Van has done nothing to suggest he cant be replaced relatively cheaply or with youngsters. Wing is an easy position to fill, and we have 2 others in the role that most people on here rate. herbert is the best we have in his position, is improving and it is the most difficult position to recruit.

Wouldnt argue with that. But I suspect ah van is going anyway to accomodate another Centre. just get impression he was given chance to make a Centre spot his own and him being moved back to wing says he's failed (combined with way his performances have dropped off last few weeks). Hence if we want a half too then herbert has to go too unless we can fill one off the Centre/half spots with a uk player.

Re: Cas 34 Bulls 30, all post-match discussion here : Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:06 pm  

mat wrote:

Wouldnt argue with that. But I suspect ah van is going anyway to accomodate another Centre. just get impression he was given chance to make a Centre spot his own and him being moved back to wing says he's failed (combined with way his performances have dropped off last few weeks). Hence if we want a half too then herbert has to go too unless we can fill one off the Centre/half spots with a uk player.

good points here. thinking about it, we MAY be better doing that if we can get a top class centre as that would be a massive improvement, and jeffries isnt massively worse than herbert although there is no potential with him. I will be very happy if it pans out that we have to let Herbert and Ah Van go for a top drawer centre and half.