Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:32 pm  

They wouldn't have had to pay a penny if Tesco had got the go-ahead in 2002.

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:40 pm  

It's funny (and a tad hypocritical) how Lawn's/City's motives for proposing what he has are judged in one way, yet the motives of the Bulls for wanting what they do aren't.

Hopefully Lawn has hacked the council off enough to ensure they never get their hands on Valley Parade or have anything to do with City, I can't think of anything worse than having such a bunch of incompetent pillocks involved in the club, unfortunately the Bulls are probably stuck with them.

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:25 pm  

And that's it in a nutshell. For historic reasons the council are our landlords and so we have financial interactions with them. Shame Lawn then adopts the language of the T&A comments section to make his half-.rsed case. How's that supposed to help his or anyone's cause?

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:39 am  

I think that redaing Lawn's comments in the T&A were his way of countering his own comments in City's programme on saturday. IN that, he urges people to vote in the forthcoming election in a way that will benefit City, as much as the Bulls. his T&A comments I feel were seeing to qualify that so more people didnt kick off.

I support both teams, and I am a little disappointed at ML's comments to say the least. But in essence, BUlls and City using one stadium makes sense!

decscribing RL as a minority sport, and claiming that 11,000 people come every week into the centre of bradford as a result of city were pushing it a little. if BUlls only charged £5 a game for an adult and 3 kids (like i am paying next seaosn for city) then Odsal would not be big enough for some games!

Hood and ML should get together. there sint a lot of inward investment in Bradford and we need to make the mots of what we can. would it be a disaster to leave Richard Dunnes as it is, and use Odsal for community sports, no. would it be a disater if City went under having struggled to pay crippling rent, or BUlls to lose their SL lisence if they dont move to the Shay? YEs and Yes!!!

ML is an emotional person, but he cares about City, and the City as a whole. for mine, that gives him as much credit, if not more than Hood.

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:39 pm  

tezza_93 wrote:

I don't mind the redevelopment of Richard Dunns, but in terms of a New Odsal Stadium funded by the taxpayer, I'm not sure. I wouldn't be against it if it held something like 25,000+ and it offered more than Valley Parade. Otherwise, I don't think its worth using tax payers money to fund a new stadium when there already is a perfectly good stadium in the City, which would cost much less to redevelop.

Why don't you read the entire article instead of just the headline before spouting off. Jeez! Once again.. the council aren't giving the bulls millions of pounds! We're not even getting a new stadium! The ground will be redeveloped, new covered stand thats all. the main outlay is indoor sports area and all weather pitches.

Now go away, get your facts right, then come back! I've just read all your posts, you don't read the articles and comments put in front of you and continue to say the same one sided rubbish.

Rant over.

[Bulliac]

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Mon Apr 19, 2010 1:58 pm  

isaac1 wrote:

I think that redaing Lawn's comments in the T&A were his way of countering his own comments in City's programme on saturday. IN that, he urges people to vote in the forthcoming election in a way that will benefit City, as much as the Bulls. his T&A comments I feel were seeing to qualify that so more people didnt kick off.

I support both teams, and I am a little disappointed at ML's comments to say the least. But in essence, BUlls and City using one stadium makes sense!

decscribing RL as a minority sport, and claiming that 11,000 people come every week into the centre of bradford as a result of city were pushing it a little. if BUlls only charged £5 a game for an adult and 3 kids (like i am paying next seaosn for city) then Odsal would not be big enough for some games!

Hood and ML should get together. there sint a lot of inward investment in Bradford and we need to make the mots of what we can. would it be a disaster to leave Richard Dunnes as it is, and use Odsal for community sports, no. would it be a disater if City went under having struggled to pay crippling rent, or BUlls to lose their SL lisence if they dont move to the Shay? YEs and Yes!!!

ML is an emotional person, but he cares about City, and the City as a whole. for mine, that gives him as much credit, if not more than Hood.

I went along happily with that right up to the last sentence, not that I agreed with every word of it. Now I've nothing against Lawn. He's the mouthpiece of Bfd City; he's paid to promote the best interests of the club. As a director, he has a legal duty to do his utmost to ensure the shrareholders get the best return, and from me I say good luck to him (and to City, btw) but when he talks claptrap about things which have a big bearing on MY club then he's going beyond his remit. There were so many errors in what he said he's left himself looking foolish imo, with no credibility whatsoever. It seems as though he is listening too much to that buffoon from the city supporters club who seems to get a spot in the T&A every other night bellyaching constantly about squash courts, gymnastic halls and tennis courts being built for the Bulls. Idiots.

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:13 pm  

Bulliac,
I know what you mean, but both Hood and Lawn have taken over clubs at a less successful time that their predecessors, and managed to keep their heads above water. perhaps Lawn wears his heart on his sleeve too much but Hood doesnt do it at all enough. perhaps a partership would strike a happy medium in leadership? idealistic and very simplistic I know, but I am trying to look at both clubs surviving and eventually thriving sustainably.

lets go back 10 years to 2000-2001. City were in the premiership and developing the stadium and Bulls were winnig trophies for fun. why have both fallen so dramatically from grace. If you look at the whole FA pyramid and RL as a whole, they have probably fallen about the same amount! City over stretched themselves and so did the bulls, now one way or another, their homes are a millstone around their necks.

A longterm view is needed. Even in the premiership, City will need nothing bigger than VP as it is now. The spectator areas are all less than 25 years old and most of it is no more than 13 years old. Odsal is not good enough, and even some roofing would not make it brilliant.

retain Odsal as a community sports venue that houses City and Bulls reserve and youth teams, move bothe clubs as equal tennants of a VP owned by the council. use some of the 15,000,000 the council has syashed away to refurbish Richard Dunnes and use the rest of the money (which is yet to be seen anyway) to fund projects that benefit the majority of taxpayers.

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:36 pm  

I can see that the council might be reluctant to seriously invest in either VP or Odsal.
The ground at VP is privately owned and merely leased to Bfd City.
Odsal has a long term lease held by a private company.
If the Council wish to development either as a multi-sport location for the benefit of local sports, then VP is at a disadvantage in somuch that there is not the space to do so.
There is space at Odsal to do so.

Without council or other funding for development then both VP and Odsal will continue to struggle to pay their annual costs and fail progressionaly to be financially viable in their respective leagues.

There is merit in both clubs sharing the same ground, and whilst the compexities of landlord, leasing, management and game day control is at the moment a no-go between the clubs, it's becoming evident that both may see financial meltdown within the next 5 years.
It will then be little comfort for all supporters and management of both clubs to have been now intransigent.

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:20 pm  

tezza_93 wrote: You're missing the point though. Bradford Council are still planning to invest millions into Odsal and that's a fact. In comparison, the amount invested into Valley Parade by Bradford Council probably doesn't get above the £10 mark. And by the way, if Bradford Council did buy Valley Parade and spend money on it and then rented it to Bulls and City, they would get a full return within 10 years. They are investing in the SPORTING VILLAGE. How many times does this need to be said before it sinks into the soft heads of some people in this city? The stadium will only be a small part of the over all scheme This is a link to the Leigh Sport Village. THIS is the sort of thing that the council will be investing in.

tezza_93 wrote: You're missing the point though. Bradford Council are still planning to invest millions into Odsal and that's a fact. In comparison, the amount invested into Valley Parade by Bradford Council probably doesn't get above the £10 mark. And by the way, if Bradford Council did buy Valley Parade and spend money on it and then rented it to Bulls and City, they would get a full return within 10 years. They are investing in the SPORTING VILLAGE. How many times does this need to be said before it sinks into the soft heads of some people in this city? The stadium will only be a small part of the over all scheme This is a link to the Leigh Sport Village. THIS is the sort of thing that the council will be investing in.

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Mon Apr 19, 2010 5:15 pm  

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