FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - Latest financial situation - all posts here
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member28357
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 17 200222 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
2nd May 24 20:2424th Oct 19 15:32LINK
Milestone Posts
25000
30000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
MACS0647-JD
Signature
Last edited by Ferocious Aardvark on stardate Jun 26, 3013 11:27 am, edited 48,562,867,458,300,023 times in total

Re: Administration : Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:53 am  
It's clear that many fans have no clue what administration is, and that (like I xpect most sports fans) very many think that administration is a scam of some sort that enables you to swerve your debts and just carry on as before.

If anyone wants to actually know the basics of how it would work in our case or what it would entail, just read some of Adeybull's explanations in the main thread. It's been done to death. The sort of totally uninformed nonsense that infests this thread isn't helpful, and people needn't advertise their ignorance, a few minutes back reading prior to posting and some people would save themselves posting total rubbish.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1337No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 10 200618 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
29th Sep 20 13:3829th Sep 20 13:38LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
Crude and slow Whino, your attack was no better than that of a clumsy child.

Re: Administration : Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:56 am  
I thought the reason Caisley and co replaced Hood and co was on the principle that they had all these "potential investors" queueing up once Hood was removed?

Then when they get their feet back under the table a review is carried out with the findings that the debts are "much worse than originally anticipated"

Then they announce they have 1 investor who is willing to put up £500,000 but they are £750,000 short!?? (never named)

And low and behold a week later we face a winding up order and have 2 weeks because of unpaid tax!!!

Who the hell do are we supposed to believe?
RankPostsTeam
International Star18No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 29 201212 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
14th Dec 16 14:3830th Mar 16 16:19LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Time to move forward..... : Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:01 am  
The problem as i see it.
1.We will have to sell assets to try and pay the tax man. This will be done by the administrator and we won't have any say in the matter.
2. No cash rich multimillionaire is going to invest and take on the past debt (they have not made a lot of cash by investing in loss loosing business) they will want it debt free, which can only happen after the administrator has done his job for the tax man.
3. So if we are lucky and say in Super league we will be a club with a decimated team of players who will be desperate to jump ship, a fan base who now has to start paying full up(£20+) a game to see us get whipped every week. Less fans every week, no investment advertisement revenue falls, less money to pay wage contracts etc.
It will be pain full to see a club die like this.
I say lets go into Division one. ( i would bet if you offered say Featherstone or Halifax the chance to go up they would think long and hard, they seem to run ok with 2500 through the gates and the rugby is at lest competitive).
RankPostsTeam
International Star332No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 28 201113 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
31st Jul 13 10:4931st Jul 13 10:23LINK
Milestone Posts
250
500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Isle of Axholme

Re: Time to move forward..... : Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:25 am  
Super League is on its backside. The Bulls will not be the last club to fall. The Chmapionship offers more competitive and entertaining fixtures than SL every week. I'll bet Mr C didn't have this in his mind with his big time charlie ideas for RL back in 95.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star1704
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 10 201113 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
23rd Oct 23 19:2114th Dec 20 20:27LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
100 MILES FROM PARADISE
Signature
A Pie is for life, not just a Wembley Final

Re: Time to move forward..... : Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:33 am  
makes you laugh that sky have paid another record fee to screen football that is in essence a league where only 4 teams can win and more often than not it is over before the end of the season. We get peanuts and it always goes down to sudden death the last 4 weeks of the season.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member28357
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 17 200222 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
2nd May 24 20:2424th Oct 19 15:32LINK
Milestone Posts
25000
30000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
MACS0647-JD
Signature
Last edited by Ferocious Aardvark on stardate Jun 26, 3013 11:27 am, edited 48,562,867,458,300,023 times in total

Re: Administration : Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:36 am  
It's aboit time (although it will obviously never happen) that the present and previous management stopped issuing these partial briefings, glossed with spin, and just told us the bare facts.

For example, "we need £1m to finish the season". WTF does that mean though? For example, and using hypothetical figures and a simple example, if our total wages bill was £2.5m then we would need about £1m to finish the season. It wouldn't exactly be a shock.

On the same figure, using home games as a yardstick, you'd need income which was the equivalent of about £200K a home game, over the season. (of course you don't get your income in nice weekly chunks, for example you get a large slice one-off in season ticket sales; but still, on average).

In this simple example, yes you would "need £1m" but it would just be stating a fact and no surprise; and equally you should be able to cover it from your regular average income as well.

Of course I understand that there are any number of factors, debts, bank overdraft issues, image rights tax bills etc etc etc., all I am saying is that it is totally disingenuous to use the phrase "we need £1m to finish the season" to imply that there is something surprising, wrong or not above board about that. OBVIOUSLY any SL club needs a large sum of money to finish a season.

I mean, how much do Wigan need "to finish the season", if you added it up? Or Wakefield? Do they all actually have all those funds NOW, up front, in credit, in their bank?

I am totally sick of this doublespeak and name calling. It does sadly look as if the "investors/benefactors waiting in the wings" hinted at by both factions were just wishful thinking. I continue to hope that we won't go into administration, but my remaining hopes wouldn't be high enough to clear your average ant, and if we do then that will be in my terms a total disaster for the club.

And no doubt whichever way it goes, we can confidently expect the continued yah-boo he-said she-said blame game to continue through the local press.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star5123
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 07 201113 years308th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
26th Jun 24 12:345th Apr 24 17:27LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
WF10 - just a small town in Wakefield

Re: Administration : Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:37 am  
zapperbull wrote:
Administration
Players sold
SL licence removed
Start again in a lower league next year.

Less than 1,000 fans with season tickets
10 years to get back into SL
Way to go Bradford BoD :CRAZY:

I am so £%$^&&% with this childish immature in house bickering and tall tale telling within the BoD with total disregard to the loyal fans who have supported this great club in the past years. The players must be thinking “why me “and my heart felt sorrow goes out to them. Why has the review taken so long! Maybe they hoped the HMRC would issue a windup order so they look as if they have done everything they can and have been forced into this predicament . CC investors !!! so where are they!!! :evil:

I am now off to get a season ticket for the Bradford tiddlywinks team.

Very badly Hurting :cry:


The bit in bold no longer exists since the RFL changed the rules last year after Crusaders and Wakey went bust. You won't lose your SL licence.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star1704
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 10 201113 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
23rd Oct 23 19:2114th Dec 20 20:27LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
100 MILES FROM PARADISE
Signature
A Pie is for life, not just a Wembley Final

Re: Administration : Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:40 am  
is it "we need £1m to finish the season" in excess of the projected income already calculated....so week on week the shortfall is growing and the finances getting worse and worse.......
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Moderator8087
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 02 200223 years95th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
3rd Jul 24 06:5224th Jun 24 11:44LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
LS9
Signature
//www.twitter.com/pumpetypump
Moderator

Re: Time to move forward..... : Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:40 am  
As people have already said, all this talk of investors in the wings to save us from Admin is uncannily like what we heard when Wakey were in the mire. Even if your heart hopes for some other scenario, surely all our heads know its probably all over for the club in its present guise.

I just hope there is a genuine investor interested in taking us forward post-Admin.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star1704
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 10 201113 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
23rd Oct 23 19:2114th Dec 20 20:27LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
100 MILES FROM PARADISE
Signature
A Pie is for life, not just a Wembley Final

Re: Administration : Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:41 am  
Tigerade wrote:
The bit in bold no longer exists since the RFL changed the rules last year after Crusaders and Wakey went bust. You won't lose your SL licence.


RFL need tennants in their ground so the Bulls will stay in SL no matter what happens
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 201 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to Bradford Bulls


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
18m
Smith out ASAP
Leeds_Luke
848
51m
WHO IS NEXT
Once were Lo
151
Recent
This site is crap
ALAW
4
Recent
Round 16 London Home
Once were Lo
90
Recent
TV Games - Not Hull
bonaire
2062
Recent
Batley Bulldogs H
Willzay
17
Recent
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
37904
Recent
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
60091
Recent
Other Championship Clubs
REDWHITEANDB
234
Recent
Planning for next season
LeythIg
13
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
The Yellow G
2357
2m
Rumours thread
Trojan Horse
1652
2m
The Seagulls v The Panthers
terry silver
20
3m
Leigh h
apollosghost
60
3m
TV Games - Not Hull
bonaire
2062
3m
Batley Bulldogs H
Willzay
17
3m
This site is crap
ALAW
4
4m
Planning for next season
LeythIg
13
4m
Reserves
BigTime
2
4m
TV games not Wire
karetaker
3143
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Accountability
Gazzagiant2
1
TODAY
email
orangeman
1
TODAY
This site is crap
ALAW
4
TODAY
Lucky Leeds Golden Point Win Over the Broncos
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Prettys Girls in your city for night
jackmac452
1
TODAY
Vegas Baby
Jason65
2
TODAY
Wigan Beat Leigh in Derby Thriller
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Reserves
BigTime
2
TODAY
Tonights game v Giants
karetaker
32
TODAY
Free parking
Philth
8
TODAY
Salford Away Travel Information
LancashireRe
1
TODAY
Batley next
Start@1873
3
TODAY
Round 16 London Home
Once were Lo
90
TODAY
Leeds
the-bearded-
37
TODAY
Injuries and available cover
walter wall
12
TODAY
Problems with this Site continued
karetaker
12
TODAY
3 clubs apply to join League 1
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Sadly one less Bronco
nkpom
2
TODAY
Fan Village
[Gareth]
4
TODAY
The Seagulls v The Panthers
terry silver
20
TODAY
Las Vegas 2025 English ladies involved
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
New halfback signing
Pyrah123
11
TODAY
Batley Bulldogs H
Willzay
17
TODAY
Squads - Leopards v Warriors
Cokey
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Lucky Leeds Golden Point Win O..
178
Wigan Beat Leigh in Derby Thri..
331
Wakefield Trinity Register Thi..
1440
Englands Youngsters Beat Franc..
1114
Big Win for England Women Over..
860
2024 State of Origin - Game 2 ..
1113
New Structure for 2025 Challen..
1209
Super League form rewarded as ..
1528
Superb Salford Complete Histor..
1522
Catalans Dragons Survive Secon..
1523
Warrington Wolves Snatch Late ..
1319
Spirit of Rob Burrow Inspires ..
1531
Hull KR Drop Goal Secures Win ..
1871
St Helens Break Fifty As They ..
1795
Leigh Leopards Resurgence Clai..
1963
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Sun 7th Jul
SL
15:00
Salford-Hull FC
Fri 12th Jul
SL
20:00
LondonB-Castleford
SL
20:00
Warrington-Leeds
SL
20:00
Warrington-St.Helens
Sat 13th Jul
SL
15:00
Hull FC-Hull KR
SL
00:00
Leigh-Huddersfield
SL
17:30
Catalans-Salford
Wed 17th Jul
SOO
11:05
Queensland-New South Wales
Sat 17th Aug
SL
18:00
Warrington-Leeds
SL
15:30
Wigan-St.Helens
SL
13:00
Hull FC-LondonB
Sun 18th Aug
SL
13:00
Leigh-Salford
SL
15:30
Catalans-Hull KR
SL
18:00
Huddersfield-Castleford
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sat 6th Jul
NRL 18 Canterbury13-12NZ Warriors
NRL 18 Wests28-40Melbourne
NRL 18 NQL Cowboys20-22Manly
SL 16 Leeds17-16LondonB
WSL2024 7 LeedsW6-16St.HelensW
WSL2024 7 FeatherstoneW0-50WiganW
Fri 5th Jul
NRL 18 Cronulla16-20Gold Coast
NRL 18 Brisbane6-14Penrith
SL 16 St.Helens6-8Castleford
SL 16 Warrington48-0Huddersfield
SL 16 Wigan24-6Leigh
CH 14 Sheffield28-0Halifax
Thu 4th Jul
NRL 18 Parramatta16-32Souths
Sun 30th Jun
CH13 Barrow0-36Wakefield
CH 13 Dewsbury12-38Bradford
CH 13 Halifax38-18Whitehaven
CH 13 Widnes16-24Batley
CH 13 York10-18Sheffield
L1 13 Cornwall10-16Crusaders
L1 13 Newcastle10-44Midlands
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 15 427 170 257 26
St.Helens 16 429 170 259 22
Warrington 16 406 213 193 22
Hull KR 15 383 201 182 22
Salford 15 295 288 7 20
Catalans 15 288 220 68 18
 
Leeds 16 291 286 5 18
Huddersfield 16 298 365 -67 12
Leigh 15 270 250 20 11
Castleford 16 246 435 -189 9
Hull FC 15 198 474 -276 4
LondonB 16 156 615 -459 2
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 13 486 142 344 26
Sheffield 14 382 217 165 22
Bradford 13 341 218 123 18
Toulouse 12 332 174 158 16
Widnes 13 315 245 70 15
Featherstone 13 330 283 47 12
 
Batley 13 205 286 -81 12
Doncaster 13 237 325 -88 11
York 14 285 293 -8 10
Whitehaven 13 266 358 -92 10
Halifax 14 270 405 -135 10
Barrow 12 203 339 -136 10
Swinton 13 260 332 -72 8
Dewsbury 14 168 419 -251 2
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
18m
Smith out ASAP
Leeds_Luke
848
51m
WHO IS NEXT
Once were Lo
151
Recent
This site is crap
ALAW
4
Recent
Round 16 London Home
Once were Lo
90
Recent
TV Games - Not Hull
bonaire
2062
Recent
Batley Bulldogs H
Willzay
17
Recent
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
37904
Recent
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
60091
Recent
Other Championship Clubs
REDWHITEANDB
234
Recent
Planning for next season
LeythIg
13
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
The Yellow G
2357
2m
Rumours thread
Trojan Horse
1652
2m
The Seagulls v The Panthers
terry silver
20
3m
Leigh h
apollosghost
60
3m
TV Games - Not Hull
bonaire
2062
3m
Batley Bulldogs H
Willzay
17
3m
This site is crap
ALAW
4
4m
Planning for next season
LeythIg
13
4m
Reserves
BigTime
2
4m
TV games not Wire
karetaker
3143
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Accountability
Gazzagiant2
1
TODAY
email
orangeman
1
TODAY
This site is crap
ALAW
4
TODAY
Lucky Leeds Golden Point Win Over the Broncos
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Prettys Girls in your city for night
jackmac452
1
TODAY
Vegas Baby
Jason65
2
TODAY
Wigan Beat Leigh in Derby Thriller
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Reserves
BigTime
2
TODAY
Tonights game v Giants
karetaker
32
TODAY
Free parking
Philth
8
TODAY
Salford Away Travel Information
LancashireRe
1
TODAY
Batley next
Start@1873
3
TODAY
Round 16 London Home
Once were Lo
90
TODAY
Leeds
the-bearded-
37
TODAY
Injuries and available cover
walter wall
12
TODAY
Problems with this Site continued
karetaker
12
TODAY
3 clubs apply to join League 1
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Sadly one less Bronco
nkpom
2
TODAY
Fan Village
[Gareth]
4
TODAY
The Seagulls v The Panthers
terry silver
20
TODAY
Las Vegas 2025 English ladies involved
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
New halfback signing
Pyrah123
11
TODAY
Batley Bulldogs H
Willzay
17
TODAY
Squads - Leopards v Warriors
Cokey
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Lucky Leeds Golden Point Win O..
178
Wigan Beat Leigh in Derby Thri..
331
Wakefield Trinity Register Thi..
1440
Englands Youngsters Beat Franc..
1114
Big Win for England Women Over..
860
2024 State of Origin - Game 2 ..
1113
New Structure for 2025 Challen..
1209
Super League form rewarded as ..
1528
Superb Salford Complete Histor..
1522
Catalans Dragons Survive Secon..
1523
Warrington Wolves Snatch Late ..
1319
Spirit of Rob Burrow Inspires ..
1531
Hull KR Drop Goal Secures Win ..
1871
St Helens Break Fifty As They ..
1795
Leigh Leopards Resurgence Clai..
1963


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!