Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:42 pm  

Bulliac wrote:

Lawn is speaking for Bradford City. As a board member of the board, and chairman, he has a legal duty to do his best for the shareholders, and this is exactly what he's doing. City have a large annual rent to pay and bringing the Bulls in to share would certainly help him in that regard. Whilst in many ways I wish him (and City) all the best, none of this can work if it isn't mutually beneficial, and to be honest I can see many benefits to City and few benefits to the Bulls in all this.

I have to say though that Lawn's lack of knowledge about the Odsal sports village (as highlighted by comments from Peter Hood) speaks volumes. I also find a certain irony in Lawn being against the council funding sports facilities whilst simultaneously complaining about the fact he can't find anywhere to train in Bradford. As a mate of mine would say, "it does my 'ead in".

what I find particularly worrying is the sheer amount of dis-information being spread by city. I nearly came to blows this evening with a typical middle aged city fan this evening who spouted a load of rubbish. According to him he was sick of paying council tax to support bulls when city didnt get a penny. When it was pointed out to him that bulls dont get a penny from the council he responded that we couldnt possibly afford to pay the upkeep on the stadium on an 8k average gate. He totally ignored the fact that we did a deal with council to maintain the stadium ourselves in exchange for the 4.5million settlement payment ( which if we hadnt agreed to council would have been forced to pay approx 20 million over remainder of lase in upkeep). He also took umbrage over the fact we pay a negligble rent and totally ignored fact in exchange for this we pay the maintenance costs of ground.

What I find particularly worrying is that he got his 'Facts' from articles in the city program. If city are spreading this sort of easily disproved rubbish in their programs then surely we as a club should be taking issue with it.

[Bulliac]

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:44 pm  

mat wrote:

what I find particularly worrying is the sheer amount of dis-information being spread by city. I nearly came to blows this evening with a typical middle aged city fan this evening who spouted a load of rubbish. According to him he was sick of paying council tax to support bulls when city didnt get a penny. When it was pointed out to him that bulls dont get a penny from the council he responded that we couldnt possibly afford to pay the upkeep on the stadium on an 8k average gate. He totally ignored the fact that we did a deal with council to maintain the stadium ourselves in exchange for the 4.5million settlement payment ( which if we hadnt agreed to council would have been forced to pay approx 20 million over remainder of lase in upkeep). He also took umbrage over the fact we pay a negligble rent and totally ignored fact in exchange for this we pay the maintenance costs of ground.

What I find particularly worrying is that he got his 'Facts' from articles in the city program. If city are spreading this sort of easily disproved rubbish in their programs then surely we as a club should be taking issue with it.

The worst aspect is that the T&A seems to have an agenda of, every few days they come up with quotes, filled with misinformation, from various members of City's supporters club. Over a period of time, with constant repetition, this rubbish becomes accepted as the truth. It's OK that Peter Hood has made a rebuttal, but it's only a one off, and the drip drip drip of lies and half truths has more resonance due to all the extra exposure.

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:53 am  

Bulliac wrote:

The worst aspect is that the T&A seems to have an agenda of, every few days they come up with quotes, filled with misinformation, from various members of City's supporters club. Over a period of time, with constant repetition, this rubbish becomes accepted as the truth. It's OK that Peter Hood has made a rebuttal, but it's only a one off, and the drip drip drip of lies and half truths has more resonance due to all the extra exposure.

Is it that city supporters club is better coordianted at feeding 'stories' to the media? I have Radio Leeds on at home when I get up in the morning & arrive home from work. The amount of coverage that Leeds Takes get is way disproportionate to their appeal, rarely a day goes by without an interview with Back or his assistant; but I have come to the conclusion it must be the dark sides media manipulation unit constantly churning out stories for a hungry media. RL seems to be very poor at feeding stories, or even non-stories to the press.

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:27 pm  

http://bcafc.livewwware.co.uk/viewtopic ... 4df7fb7b41 Wednesday night. Opportunity to have a chat with Mr Carling also.

http://bcafc.livewwware.co.uk/viewtopic ... 4df7fb7b41 Wednesday night. Opportunity to have a chat with Mr Carling also.

[Bulliac]

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:11 pm  

tigertot wrote:

Is it that city supporters club is better coordianted at feeding 'stories' to the media? I have Radio Leeds on at home when I get up in the morning & arrive home from work. The amount of coverage that Leeds Takes get is way disproportionate to their appeal, rarely a day goes by without an interview with Back or his assistant; but I have come to the conclusion it must be the dark sides media manipulation unit constantly churning out stories for a hungry media. RL seems to be very poor at feeding stories, or even non-stories to the press.

The city probably are better co-ordinated, maybe even have media people in their ranks for all I know. It is annoying though.........

As for the Tykes, didn't they win their championship or the cup or something? I got so tired of hearing about their great success on Radio Leeds I turned the radio back onto Chris Evans! Look North were just as bad on Monday night, lots of Wendyball, all about the Tykes winning the cup and NO PROPER RUGBY AT ALL!!

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:24 pm  

Bulliac wrote:

The city probably are better co-ordinated, maybe even have media people in their ranks for all I know. It is annoying though.........

As for the Tykes, didn't they win their championship or the cup or something? I got so tired of hearing about their great success on Radio Leeds I turned the radio back onto Chris Evans! Look North were just as bad on Monday night, lots of Wendyball, all about the Tykes winning the cup and NO PROPER RUGBY AT ALL!!

No, unfortunately they managed to stay in their top division, by kicking 4 penalties.

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:37 pm  

City are better co-ordinated= one bloke's obsession.

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:56 am  

City's latest contribution. Rhodes wants the Bulls plus money (from the Council!). In contrast to some recent disinformation, he's honest enough to acknowledge the limitation on the Council's contribution to any Odsal scheme.

City's latest contribution. Rhodes wants the Bulls plus money (from the Council!). In contrast to some recent disinformation, he's honest enough to acknowledge the limitation on the Council's contribution to any Odsal scheme.

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:31 am  

MDF wrote: City's latest contribution. Rhodes wants the Bulls plus money (from the Council!). In contrast to some recent disinformation, he's honest enough to acknowledge the limitation on the Council's contribution to any Odsal scheme. Yet more disinformation and plain lies. The last few lines of what he is reported as saying made my blood boil: "Moving the Bulls in here would also prevent the council spending another £15m on Odsal, money that could be spent on worthier causes than a sports stadium.' "The council has wasted enough money on Odsal already and the question needs to be asked how they got into the position where they were paying the Bulls so much to play there in the first place" Can someone not get an injunction to stop people like him LYING about the £15m to be spent "on a sports stadium"? If people like him lie enough about it, or so misrepresent the truth that it amounts to the same thing, then it will become established fact in people's minds. Its about bloody time the Bulls did something to stop this libelous nonsense being repeated as if fact. And as for whatever happened years in the past, the council are paying nothing now and so to keep dragging up the past is totally disingenuous. I'm afraid all this barrage from City has destroyed any support or sympathy I ever had for them. They seem to be treating us like an adversary to be overcome. Well in that case, good fortune to their adversaries.

MDF wrote: City's latest contribution. Rhodes wants the Bulls plus money (from the Council!). In contrast to some recent disinformation, he's honest enough to acknowledge the limitation on the Council's contribution to any Odsal scheme. Yet more disinformation and plain lies. The last few lines of what he is reported as saying made my blood boil: "Moving the Bulls in here would also prevent the council spending another £15m on Odsal, money that could be spent on worthier causes than a sports stadium.' "The council has wasted enough money on Odsal already and the question needs to be asked how they got into the position where they were paying the Bulls so much to play there in the first place" Can someone not get an injunction to stop people like him LYING about the £15m to be spent "on a sports stadium"? If people like him lie enough about it, or so misrepresent the truth that it amounts to the same thing, then it will become established fact in people's minds. Its about bloody time the Bulls did something to stop this libelous nonsense being repeated as if fact. And as for whatever happened years in the past, the council are paying nothing now and so to keep dragging up the past is totally disingenuous. I'm afraid all this barrage from City has destroyed any support or sympathy I ever had for them. They seem to be treating us like an adversary to be overcome. Well in that case, good fortune to their adversaries.

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:38 am  

If you were a successful business person & you were being libelled you would do something about it, immediately. I assume most Bulls directors are business people, so why are they letting City get away with murder? Would the Kaiser stay as quiet?