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Re: Latest state of play posts only : Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:06 am  
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If their intentions are honourable I don't see why they are delaying doing this?
so Caisleys and Hoods plans to redevelop Odsal subsidised by accompanying development of retail etc were dishonourable? and Wakefields plans to move to a new stadium that is subsidised by accompanying development is dishonourable? or just a fundamental fact of modern stadium development (other than Wembley, Millenium etc) that they cannot be afforded without such development cross-subsidy (Keepmoat, Halliwell Jones, etc)?
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Re: Latest state of play posts only : Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:13 am  
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I hope those fans and clubs who are looking to enforce a Bulls demotion are equally happy to absorb the consequences of diminished revenue for their club and equally, will find pleasure in SL losing a member club that has done more to raise the profile of the competition than the sum total of most other clubs.

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Well said - but unfortunately history and sentiment don't pay the wages and I would think the other SL clubs attitude is being driven by their own cash flow considerations. Just a shame the Bulls seem to have neglected that particular part of running a business for the last few years.
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Re: Latest state of play posts only : Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:17 am  
Thought Carney and Wells spoke the most sense I have heard in a long while re our plight and the position taken by the RFL.
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Re: Latest state of play posts only : Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:06 am  
Why has the administrator not been forced to sell players? That seems crazy to me, every other club in administration are forced to do it to raise funds.
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Re: Latest state of play posts only : Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:13 am  
domthebull wrote:
also sick of the comparisons

HULL KR - 3.5 years in admin raising money for years to stay afloat from fans... hmm there calling for our crucifixion

wakey - god forbid anything happens differently to the shouder chip extraordonaire's. They had 1 year of a license left not three and for us lay people who do not work in rfl there was no guarentee they would be kept in if crusaders did not pull out.

Widnes - only ones who seem not to be judging, they were in championship stayed in championship have had a lot of money from owners and now have a franchise.

I begrudged none of these anything at the time but it is difficult like some of the opposition fans have stated with our attitudes to not become dissillusioned with the rugby family's more inconsiderate bunch.

We dont want any special favours we the hard done by fans were not involved with these financial mistakes other than face value suggestions they were ok. We just want to survive and when rlf prior to today say nothing other than they will not negotiate we do want clarity.


When and where did Hull KR call for your crucifixion?
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Re: Fans Meeting at City Hall - Mon 7pm : Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:25 am  
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In the end though any vote is just a poll and not binding to the RFL.

That was my understanding of the position.
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Re: Latest state of play posts only : Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:31 am  
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Thought Carney and Wells spoke the most sense I have heard in a long while re our plight and the position taken by the RFL.


Agreed. They asked the very same questions that the fans on here have been asking. It's also heartening to hear two individuals with no connection to the club speak so passionately and emphasise the damage to the sport caused by the RFL's lack of transparency.
My previous suggestion (perhaps on another thread) that Wood or Solly should be invited to speak to the fans on Sunday is obviously a non starter-- Solly pulled out of an interview with the Paxman of League Mr Hemmings so he's hardly likely to face us.
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Re: Latest state of play posts only : Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:40 am  
I certainly hope Bradford find a way through this. If it's the same company, with new owners then I think the the SL franchise should be transferred. A Newco is a more difficult proposition, but should be judged on its merits.

The franchise system and, before that, Super League have eaten away at any sense of RL solidarity (and plenty of clubs can point to real or perceived injustices), but not to the point wanting clubs to die.
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Re: Latest state of play posts only : Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:57 am  
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so Caisleys and Hoods plans to redevelop Odsal subsidised by accompanying development of retail etc were dishonourable? and Wakefields plans to move to a new stadium that is subsidised by accompanying development is dishonourable? or just a fundamental fact of modern stadium development (other than Wembley, Millenium etc) that they cannot be afforded without such development cross-subsidy (Keepmoat, Halliwell Jones, etc)?

I haven't said the are dishonourable and yes of course running other developments alongside is a good way of raising the finance. But the fact is nobody knows what their plans are so its that which arouses suspicion. There seems to be a flat refusal from them to put any meat on the bones of their bid either in the bids or into the public domain and RFL's refusal to entertain their bids lends to the feeling of mistrust towards them. If all is above board then get the plans out in the open so people see whats on offer. If it is reasonable then the outside pressure on the RFL will intensify to the point when they will have to back down. But whilst it seems cloak & dagger tactics are being employed then it helps to justify the RFL's position. I get the the impression ABC have gone in saying we want the lease for odsal back but they won't put forward any business plans to show what they are going to do with it to raise the revenue. It could be build a massive curry house on the pitch and shift the Bulls to VP for all the RFL know. Highly unlikely yes, but theoretically possible! Until the consortium put it in writing what their plans are then the RFL is right to hold their position. Once they do things will move on apace one way or another, so I ask again if they want to buy the club so much whats stopping them?
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Re: Latest state of play posts only : Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:01 am  
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Why has the administrator not been forced to sell players? That seems crazy to me, every other club in administration are forced to do it to raise funds.

Could it be a case that the administrator knows that he'll now get diddly squat for them - with the salary cap, any deals would be for next season and if the Bulls go under then the players become free agents and won't cost anything. The only savings would be on what's left of this year's salary bill, a subject dealt with earlier on here, if I remember correctly.
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