Re: Latest state of play posts only : Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:48 pm  

martinwildbull wrote:

No, you havent said it, you have insinuated it.

Anybody can put a business plan together. Its putting a viable one together that is desirable if making a £2.5m or whatever investment, however much time they are asking for payment. Clearly knowing how much it is going to cost is the starting point with a definite figure attached to it. As for income, well, who can say for certain even if they did succeed in getting the stadium, staying in SL and keeping all the young players what that income is going to be and when? now factor in not getting the stadium or not staying in SL or not keeping the young players. factor in the £1m contingent liability if we dont play at Odsal. Expecting a business plan without answers to these drivers of income is just totally unrealistic, as the business plan would be complete guesswork or lies and we've had enough of that recently. Unless of course the bidder is a sugar daddy that can throw cash at the problem, clearly not so in this case. So if the RFL want a viable business plan, they have to come up with some answers. otherwise Nobody is going to put a plan together where all of the risk is theirs, and totally undefined, its a waste of time and money.

Anyway, lets hope there are decisive developments this afternoon, uncertainty is undermining anything positive.

Sorry I don't agree with you at all but its all immaterial now. The bid was obviously so full of holes the RFL are buying the club themselves.

Re: Latest state of play posts only : Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:38 pm  

Theboyem wrote:

Sorry I don't agree with you at all but its all immaterial now. The bid was obviously so full of holes the RFL are buying the club themselves.

Or the RFL position was just so full of holes, no change that, so intransigently unhelpful, that the SLE are buying the club so that any purchaser knows what has to go into their business plan cost wise, so that they can then work in the income side.

on the honourable/dishonourable issue, the phrase " be transparent " would have been more appropriate than honourable.

Re: Latest state of play posts only : Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:46 am  

Seems my throwaway line a while back about the RFL purchasing the Club has boomeranged though in the shape of the SLE inc RFL. While this will stabalise the situation it will put a lot strain on everyone in anticipating whether the Club gets a sports minded Investor and whether the outstanding debt can be paid off prior to the cut off point of going down a division. I hope this now means all the Coaching Staff and Stadium Staff will be re employed forthwith and the Players can concentrate on getting into the playoffs assuming the points deduction still stands, I think in fairness it should as its in the RFL operation rules! This still assumes Guilfool doesn't play silly buggers and trys to draw the situation out!

Re: Latest state of play posts only : Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:47 am  

Theboyem wrote:

Sorry I don't agree with you at all but its all immaterial now. The bid was obviously so full of holes the RFL are buying the club themselves.

You appear to be confused. SLE(E)Ltd is buying the club. The RFL bought the lease.

Re: Latest state of play posts only : Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:15 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

You appear to be confused. SLE(E)Ltd is buying the club. The RFL bought the lease.

Not confused at all. Whilst they maybe classed as seperate organisations they are governed and administered by the same people that govern and administer the RFL. The only difference is that with SLE the clubs get a say at the meetings. But anyone who thinks they have any real influence in what happens is rather naive, as was proven a couple of weeks ago when the talk of voting out the Bulls was all the rage and it emerged that the clubs vote isn't binding and the decision would be made by the powers that be anyway. So the ultimate decision on what happens to the Odsal lease is up to the RFL CEO Nigel Wood. What ultimatley happens to the Bulls if & when the bids is successful is up to the CEO of SLE, Nigel Wood. There is no problem with this, in fact it makes sense to have one group in charge of all areas. But all thats different in reality is the bank account they use and the name on top of the headed paper.

Re: Latest state of play posts only : Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:26 pm  

Theboyem wrote:

Not confused at all. Whilst they maybe classed as seperate organisations they are governed and administered by the same people that govern and administer the RFL. The only difference is that with SLE the clubs get a say at the meetings. But anyone who thinks they have any real influence in what happens is rather naive, as was proven a couple of weeks ago when the talk of voting out the Bulls was all the rage and it emerged that the clubs vote isn't binding and the decision would be made by the powers that be anyway. So the ultimate decision on what happens to the Odsal lease is up to the RFL CEO Nigel Wood. What ultimatley happens to the Bulls if & when the bids is successful is up to the CEO of SLE, Nigel Wood. There is no problem with this, in fact it makes sense to have one group in charge of all areas. But all thats different in reality is the bank account they use and the name on top of the headed paper.

You said the RFL was buying the club. It isn't, except to the extent that it is a shareholder in SLE.

Re: Latest state of play posts only : Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:46 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

You said the RFL was buying the club. It isn't, except to the extent that it is a shareholder in SLE.

And the same bloke signs the contracts for both! And the same staff administrate it. They are different in name only but if you want to believe they are truely different entities then carry on. I'll stick with my take on it and we'll move on. Good luck for the future. It might take a bit of time but i'm sure your club will rise again.

Re: Latest state of play posts only : Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:03 pm  

juliebull wrote:

Dont think Odsal would be viable in the Championship. Means a groundshare or development of Horsfall.

Staying at Odsal as a Championship club may not be viable. But leaving Odsal would be terminal. Support would disappear very quickly.

Re: Latest state of play posts only : Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:24 pm  

Cibaman wrote:

Staying at Odsal as a Championship club may not be viable. But leaving Odsal would be terminal. Support would disappear very quickly.

Odsal might be viable in the Championship, but almost certainly not in Championship 1 , which is another reason they needed to take control of the situation,

Re: Latest state of play posts only : Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:47 pm  

Starbug wrote:

Odsal might be viable in the Championship, but almost certainly not in Championship 1 , which is another reason they needed to take control of the situation,

Might be viable but if the rfl gave any consessions on either rent or ground maintenance to make that possible do you imagine there would be no complaints about 'the rfl subsidising the bulls again'?