: Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:27 pm  

Bully_Boxer wrote:

So would you prefer to see him thrown into the action against much bigger opposition whilst we're chasing the game? Whitehead got a much longer run out at Wire after his short debut and I'm sure Donaldson will get some more game time. But I've had this debate before..

Yes it didn't do Cas any harm with 18 year old Richard Owen in the side along with with 17 year old Jordan Thompson.

: Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:27 pm  

Bully_Boxer wrote:

So would you prefer to see him thrown into the action against much bigger opposition whilst we're chasing the game? Whitehead got a much longer run out at Wire after his short debut and I'm sure Donaldson will get some more game time. But I've had this debate before..

So shouldn't the fuhrer consider these things when selecting a team. Such as a) I'll only give him 4 mins so the other 16 can run their blood to water in hot conditions. or b) because we are such a good side we will have the match sewn up with 25 mins left and then I can put the youngster on.
If he's on the bench then he must contribute. If we want to give youngsters practice of sitting on a bench then send them to Wibsey park.

: Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:28 pm  

rugbyreddog wrote:

So shouldn't the fuhrer consider these things when selecting a team. Such as a) I'll only give him 4 mins so the other 16 can run their blood to water in hot conditions. or b) because we are such a good side we will have the match sewn up with 25 mins left and then I can put the youngster on.
If he's on the bench then he must contribute. If we want to give youngsters practice of sitting on a bench then send them to Wibsey park.

: Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:30 pm  

DILLIGAF wrote:

I completely agree on Cook and have said the same. The fact he's being left out does suggest he might be leaving.

Although he's putting the youngsters in a little, 4 minutes at the end of the game isn't going to help anyone. Don't get me wrong, I understand why he didn't want to throw on a debut 17 year old when the game was so close today. However there are clear underperformers in that team that need to be shown they're not auto choices.

Use what's left of this season to hammer that in to those players and give the kids a chance. If one of them performs well, we have essentially a new player.

As well as Donaldson, Olbison, Whitehead, I'd like to see them try out Keiran Hyde at 6 with Jeffries at 7. Even if it's only for one or two games just to give him some experience and let Deacon know that his performances are not good enough to stay in the team.


Oh and before someone says "Hyde isn't good enough" or something to that effect, can he really be any worse than how players like Deacon and Sykes have been "performing"?

Shame about Cook, I really like the kid, he tries his heart out everytime he plays and often does some good stuff. It seems to me like Macca is wanting rid of everything that Nobby had a hand in, and Cookie was a Nobby signing.

Agree, 4 minutes isn't good enough for our young players to show what they can do, they can barley get into their stride in that time. Young James should have been brought on after Deacs got hit hard. It doesn't matter that they are rookies, the crowd doesn't expect miracles from them, so they showed be allowed to just go on and play. The experienced pro's are not coming up with the goods, so why not let a fearless youngster go on, and take his chance?

Yep, I'd love to see Hyde get a go aswell, we're clearly lacking something in the HB's positions, he might be able to provide that something we are short of.

[Bullseye]

: Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:32 pm  

Time to give the kids more gametime without question. Fans won't fancy paying to watch the same old stuff for the remainder of this season.

: Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:35 pm  

Has any other club had such a fall from grace as we have this season?

: Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:36 pm  

rugbyreddog wrote:

So shouldn't the fuhrer consider these things when selecting a team. Such as a) I'll only give him 4 mins so the other 16 can run their blood to water in hot conditions. or b) because we are such a good side we will have the match sewn up with 25 mins left and then I can put the youngster on.
If he's on the bench then he must contribute. If we want to give youngsters practice of sitting on a bench then send them to Wibsey park.

And if it was every week then I would agree. But it was a 17 year old against fully grown adults. He was never going to be utilised in the first half when the opposition are still fresh. He certainly won't learn anything from being knocked senseless.

I think it was a positive move giving the lad a taster of what it is all about in the first place.

: Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:41 pm  

Bully_Boxer wrote:

And if it was every week then I would agree. But it was a 17 year old against fully grown adults. He was never going to be utilised in the first half when the opposition are still fresh. He certainly won't learn anything from being knocked senseless.

I think it was a positive move giving the lad a taster of what it is all about in the first place.

And at what age do we let them get knocked senseless. How old was Sam? How old was Pryce? How old was Fielden?

: Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:42 pm  

rugbyreddog wrote:

If he's on the bench then he must contribute. If we want to give youngsters practice of sitting on a bench then send them to Wibsey park.

Apparently not, it's good practice for them warm up in their kit, soak up the atmosphere, sit on the bench for 75 mins and then come on for a little run and a tackle.

It screams 'I haven't got the confidence in you and if I put you on it might cost us the game' to me.

But that's just my thoughts.

: Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:43 pm  

rugbyreddog wrote:

And at what age do we let them get knocked senseless. How old was Sam? How old was Pryce? How old was Fielden?

I don't think there is a set age, each player is different. But Donaldson is still a bit on the small side to be playing long stints of top flight RL in the pack.