Re: Ownership and twists : Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:13 am  

FlexWheeler wrote:

So basically, the pitch is - does anyone want to come, and lose lots of money, on a below average rugby league team with a dwindling fan base?

Christ, this trolling is getting boring.

In summary, Bradford Bulls are a bit screwed for a few reasons, due to a combination of poor management and the lack of a sugar daddy, and this season will be especially hard because of the season ticket liability, other historic debts, and reduced central funding.

Thing is, Flexy, we know this, and attempts to put a positive spin on it or to be constructive are due to a lack of other options. I mean, we could take the web-toed flat capper approach and melt our season tickets on a red amber and black funeral pyre, but that would conform to the fickle, parochial RL stereotype, and there's quite enough of that already about the place.

**Feeds it**

Re: Ownership and twists : Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:16 am  

FlexWheeler wrote:

So basically, the pitch is - does anyone want to come, and lose lots of money, on a below average rugby league team with a dwindling fan base?

You need to prepare yourself for the possibility that the Bulls might survive.

Try and and envisage it now and it won't come as such a shattering blow if and when, it eventually happens.

Re: Ownership and twists : Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:05 am  

pie.warrior wrote:

must take time to find someone who can put a plan together come up with the finance needed when 2 of the highest form of yearly income has already been exhausted, no season ticket sales or sponsors money to count on. Central funding of approx. £700k for rest of season and a running cost of £2m -£2.5m........

As far as I know, the sponsors have been supportive, especially Provident. I don't know how the money is spread out though throughout the season, annually, quarterly, not sure. So there may still be sponsors money coming in.

Season tickets sales were poor (for reasons of uncertainty, rather that anything else), so there is a chance of higher than usual (usual being the last 3 seasons) walkup ticket sales.

There are now only 8months until (if we avoid relegation) we get full upgraded Sky allocation!

So it's not quite that bleak. Just mostly bleak. With a glimmer of sunlight.

Re: Ownership and twists : Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:08 am  

And I would think that the first thing a new owner would do is a season ticket deal for the remaining home games, to try and encourage the uncertain ones to rejoin & support the club.

Re: Ownership and twists : Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:21 am  

ridlerbull wrote:

Christ, this trolling is getting boring.

Why is it when someone straight talks, and it's not what you want to hear, it's trolling?

There are threads on here from 2010 where opposition fans questioned the pledge deal and they were treated with similiar disdain, it's just typical of bulls fans.

Whoever comes in, will lose money, at least at first to plug the holes. Statistically, the attendances have declined and the team on the field haven't finished in the top 8 (from a 14 team league) for 4 seasons, so they are below average.

None of what i wrote is untrue, it was just expressed very bluntly. I understand the need for bulls to positive spin and be optimistic, of course. But be realistic as well, the bulls aren't a very appetising prospect, so it shouldn't really come as a big suprise when there is no sugar daddy.

If one does come in, then great, but it still might not prevent the bulls from getting relegated.

Re: Ownership and twists : Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:39 am  

FlexWheeler wrote:

Why is it when someone straight talks, and it's not what you want to hear, it's trolling?

Because you are repeating, ad nauseam, things that are so obviously true. Either you are a little simple and confuse repetition for reasoned debate and insight, or you are gloating at the misfortune of others. I have respect for my fellow human beings, so I choose to believe the latter.

Re: Ownership and twists : Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:57 am  

FlexWheeler wrote:

There are threads on here from 2010 where opposition fans questioned the pledge deal and they were treated with similiar disdain, it's just typical of bulls fans.

The pledge deal was a one shot gamble. Ticket prices would have to go up the next season, so that season needed to be perceived as successful. Which invariably means playoff rugby or a good cup run.
And for that season to work, we needed Orford to stay fit.

The ones who were treated with disdain back then were the ones who said it wouldn't work. Guaranteed, black/white blinkered approach. Because only stupid people or trolls deal in absolutes. The only guarantees in life are death, and taxation.

That season could have worked, and then the ticket pledge would have done its job, and then tickets could go back up. But it was a huge gamble, and most people knew it was a one-shot deal, whose success could only be measured by events on the pitch.

Re: Ownership and twists : Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:02 pm  

Its weird how some people think ‘straight talking’ is something to be admired.

In my experience anyone I have met who has described themselves as ‘straight talking’ is generally just an insecure, insensitive asshat who lacks basic social skills and common courtesy. They seem oddly proud of their bravery in being so ‘straight talking’, like they imagine themselves as some harbinger of undiscovered simple truths, whilst the people they are talking to are simply equating straight talking with an abrasive, over-aggressive moron who needs to stop making these dumb generalisations, logical fallacies and insulting and offensive statements.

An inability for empathy, a lack of social grace, an under-developed ability to express and communicate ideas in a way that connects with the audience is not something to be proud of, it is evidence of a struggling intellect and frustration and insecurity in your own beliefs.

[Bullseye]

Re: Ownership and twists : Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:17 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Its weird how some people think ‘straight talking’ is something to be admired.

In my experience anyone I have met who has described themselves as ‘straight talking’ is generally just an insecure, insensitive asshat who lacks basic social skills and common courtesy. They seem oddly proud of their bravery in being so ‘straight talking’, like they imagine themselves as some harbinger of undiscovered simple truths, whilst the people they are talking to are simply equating straight talking with an abrasive, over-aggressive moron who needs to stop making these dumb generalisations, logical fallacies and insulting and offensive statements.

An inability for empathy, a lack of social grace, an under-developed ability to express and communicate ideas in a way that connects with the audience is not something to be proud of, it is evidence of a struggling intellect and frustration and insecurity in your own beliefs.

I think Flex might adopt this persona "on purpose" and not be as much of an "asshat" in real life.

At least I hope so for his/her sake

Point well made though.

[Pumpetypump]

Re: Ownership and twists : Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:22 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Its weird how some people think ‘straight talking’ is something to be admired.

In my experience anyone I have met who has described themselves as ‘straight talking’ is generally just an insecure, insensitive asshat who lacks basic social skills and common courtesy. They seem oddly proud of their bravery in being so ‘straight talking’, like they imagine themselves as some harbinger of undiscovered simple truths, whilst the people they are talking to are simply equating straight talking with an abrasive, over-aggressive moron who needs to stop making these dumb generalisations, logical fallacies and insulting and offensive statements.

An inability for empathy, a lack of social grace, an under-developed ability to express and communicate ideas in a way that connects with the audience is not something to be proud of, it is evidence of a struggling intellect and frustration and insecurity in your own beliefs.

Oh christ! Who's defending us on the VT if you're on here?

Ladies and Gentlemen if you don't know the above poster they are one of our most vocal advocates, and despite not even being a Bradford supporter has been willing to do battle with those who wish us ill on a daily basis (saddo).

Sorry to be so sycophantic, but we spend so much time battling anyone who wheels out flexible interpretation of facts that we forget we do have some neutral friends!