Sorry it was 38k +.



Wembley 26th 2010. Saracens vs Wasps

Think they did the same last year as well, excellent marketing and pricing which should be applauded and adapted by RL clubs. There's lots we can learn from other sports. Not running our own down for one.





The official attendences for their games against Exeter, Leeds, Sale, Newcastle and Northampton suggest the Stoop was less then full.

Hi Dixie.



If its true then that would a good attendence, however even the sorries fans doubt the Wembley att figures and any att under 50k means the game has run at a loss.



The figures for the saracens last two home games against hq tell the tale:

2009 @ Wembley 47k

2010@ Vicarage road 6k.

To lose 10'000 fans in a year would be unfortunate but 41'000?





Theres lots we can learn from union, the most important of which is how to sell our sport.

Not pedantic in the slightest - a mistake on my part.

The game between Quins and London Irish at the main Twickenham stadium just after Christmas was 75,112. There was a huge advertising campaign because the pre-match & half-time entertainment was provided by the X Factor finalists. This gave a major boost to the crowd, and Radio Five's Rachel Burden claimed it was the most entertaining part of the day.

If the 4 billion who watch the union world cup (honest, they love it in China, India and the States) all donate 0.5p, they can wipe out that loss.

Nah, don't be daft!





All they'd need to do would be to sign up all of HKR's away support, and job sorted. Simples!

Heya clearwing, no worries bud. The sorries@wembley figures have been discussed, debunked and dismissed on another forum. Something that came out of the discussion were comments made by the c.e.o's of two union clubs that the [iofficial[/i att figures are often higher then the [iactual[/i att..by upto 25% in some instances! Still, it makes the season averages look better, ey.



I think the op is valid because it gives an insight into how clubs and governing bodies of other sports handle some of the issues already faced by RL. For example promotion to the union premership is no longer automatic, but based partly on an off field audit, similar to the system used in RL as a precursor to franchising.

The 2011 ruwc viewing figures have already been announced as 4.5 billion. They not only wiped out the loss but made a profit

Apparently:



1987 New Zealand 230 million

1991 UK and France 1.4 billion

1995 South Africa 2.3 billion

1999 UK and France 3.1 billion

2003 Australia 3.4 billion

2007 France 4.2 billion



I think there's more than a hint of this going on:



[urlhttp://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/why-fifas-claim-of-one-billion-tv-viewers-was-a-quarter-right-438302.html[/url

I'm not mocking anything.



If you read the article you'll see that it's the Union supporters that are fed up with stop/start nature of the game.

I've been here several times before. The top 20 most populace countries in the world (c4.5b) have barely heard of yawnion & the majority of their population wont even have access to a TV.

Regardless of what theGuardian says, you were quite clearly mocking the dwindling crowds at RU games.



I will remind you of these when the six nations is back on.

Please do, half filled stadiums et all.

Aye right.

England v New Zealand (3,000 short of a sell out)

Ireland vs South Africa (15,000 short of a sell out)

Wales vs Australia (21,000 short of a sell out)



After 30 years of impressive growth we are now seeing a decline in the gates and this just isn't the three games mentioned above but every International union side.

The supporters won't pay to watch ***** 3-3, 6-6, 15-9 or 21-18 games that have no tries.

Friendlies, not 6 Nations.

By and large, I look extremely enviously at the crowds they get in the RU premiership. This thread feels absolutely contrary to fact.

Contrary to fact or perception?



I would agree that a loss making 38k att at Wembley looks far better than a loss making 7k at Watford. Or 5k at Newcastle. Or 4k at Carnegie.



But all the above figures are better than 18k at Wigan, 17k at Leeds and even 10k at Odsal, right?

Fact and perception.





Hi tigertot, so have I bud

, my favourite quote was from the US media expert who revealed that the ruwc figures were based on viewing figures from more countries then actualy exsist but whose inhabitants, you'll be shocked to learn, were all union mad.

Thats one of the barmiest things I've read on here in ages. You compare some of the higher supported clubs in superleague with some lower ones ones in Union. Whats the point in that? Its rather like a Leicester RU fan proudly listing their average gate and comparing them with Salford to prove League is on its .



Quote Leicester, Northampton and Quins crowds and then see. Carnegie are Quins RL, Newcastle are Salford and Wasps are Hull KR.

RL used to get attendances of 40-50k+ for games against the Aussies in the late 80s and early 90s. There's no chance of that now. Does that mean our game is dying? Er no.



So why apply the same thinking to union?

Spreading the RL Gospel www.loverugbyleague.com/news_481 ... radar.html I do like some of the names I'm sure TT could apply those variations to our RL Team names over here?

Spreading the RL Gospel www.loverugbyleague.com/news_481 ... radar.html I do like some of the names I'm sure TT could apply those variations to our RL Team names over here?

Eng v NZ - played in a stadium that holds 82000. Total then (using your figures) 79000

Ire v SA - played in a stadium that holds 50000. Total - 35000

Wales vs Australia - played in a stadium that holds 74500. Total - 53500



For friendly matches as has been stated. Incidentally, none of these were anywhere near half-filled stadiums.



Just stop making yourself look bitter and foolish.

Really? More barmy than the fella on the VT who really, really believes that the RFL wants weak clubs in the Championships



You posted the following:





So to attendences at which union premiership clubs are you eluding?



Riiight, so that'll be the stronger clubs then. Barmy indeed.



But not as barmy as believing that the loss making union premiership 'event' games are an indicator of the popularity of the club game in England. Saracens in particular have taken a hit financially and attendence wise; They expected a bump in attendences at Watford. It didnt happen.

Strip away the event games and the attendences between the two sports are actually pretty similar.





Heh, heh, I dont remember Salford being forced to sell their ground to Northern Rock (just weeks before it went down) in order to stave off bankruptcy and still ending up 4 million in debt.

I think the Carnegie - London comparision is very apt tho. Its interesting that union believe (generally) that 3 - 5k attendences in Leeds are ok and help the perception of a growing national sport. We on the other hand..