: Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:44 am  

cieranblonde wrote:

However all but 1 of theres is still at the club. Look how many we have still in our first team squad. That's the difference

But that's nothing to do with development that's a retention problem.

: Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:44 am  

tigertot wrote:

There are a number of other former Leeds players as well - Peter Fox, Scott Murrell, Jason Netherton, Chas I'Anson, Jordan Tansey, Gareth raynor, Ewan Dowes, Ben Kaye, Luke Gayle, Gareth Carvell - there are not many SL teams without a sprinkling of former Leeds youngsters.

Well they do say you are never more than 12 feet away from a Rhino. I don't know if that is specifically Rhinos or includes Pigeons as they are often referred to as Rhinos with wings.

[Bullseye]

: Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:49 am  

Terry Monster wrote:

I wouldn't say so mate, they've definatley got some better players in their list than we have, but we can also claim to have some better players in our list.

Add Ryan Atkins to our list and you've got the current England left side partnership, I'd say that's pretty even, Cook & Ablett, Koppy, Scruton, again it's even, but our Burgess blows theirs away, where as Lee Smith is as good as any back in the league. Quality does win titles, and like I've said, we've always produced quality, it's just a shame that the quality we developed before isnt there to be complimented by the quality we continue to develop to this day. It only looks good on Leeds because theyve managed to keep them all together, which is an achievement to be proud of indeed, but imagine the team we would have had, had we managed to keep them together aswell.

Leeds are a good example for youth development, but so are we, just as much as them, there is no difference in quality whatsoever in the players both teams have produced, just that they have produced some better players than us, and we have produced some better players than them. In general, both teams have produced a constant supply of high quality juniors from 96 - to date.

I added 3 more Bulls juniors that you missed of your test players list, that brings us to 9, them to 10, 1 more..big deal.

Looking at your list I'd agree that Leeds's biggest success was keeping their side together. Shame we allowed Peacock to leave, he was our biggest loss IMO. We did seem to have a "lull" in producing real top quality or allowing players like Atkins to leave. Leeds of course have done the same with the likes of Fox, Carvell and Raynor but haven't struggled as a result.

: Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:56 am  

Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza wrote:

Well they do say you are never more than 12 feet away from a Rhino. I don't know if that is specifically Rhinos or includes Pigeons as they are often referred to as Rhinos with wings.

Have you tried the macaroons in Betty's? They are the dog's.

: Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:44 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

Looking at your list I'd agree that Leeds's biggest success was keeping their side together. Shame we allowed Peacock to leave, he was our biggest loss IMO. We did seem to have a "lull" in producing real top quality or allowing players like Atkins to leave. Leeds of course have done the same with the likes of Fox, Carvell and Raynor but haven't struggled as a result.

Whatever people say about him now, we miss Fielden aswell. We will never know if he'd have gone downhill if he stayed at Bradford, but we have never replaced Fielden, Peacock or Big Joe properly in our pack.

: Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:46 pm  

Ewwenorfolk wrote:

Whatever people say about him now, we miss Fielden aswell. We will never know if he'd have gone downhill if he stayed at Bradford

He was already going downhill before he left. He had that one superb game in the World Club Challenge and then had a poor half season before going off to Wigan.

: Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:47 pm  

DILLIGAF wrote:

He was already going downhill before he left. He had that one superb game in the World Club Challenge and then had a poor half season before going off to Wigan.

I know, but some players have a bad season then come back all guns blazing the next. I just can't believe that he went from the best prop in the world to what he is now.

: Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:56 pm  

tigertot wrote:

There are a number of other former Leeds players as well - Peter Fox, Scott Murrell, Jason Netherton, Chas I'Anson, Jordan Tansey, Gareth raynor, Ewan Dowes, Ben Kaye, Luke Gayle, Gareth Carvell - there are not many SL teams without a sprinkling of former Leeds youngsters.

There's a number of former Bulls that are good solid players:

Stuart Reardon
Chris Bridge
Richard Moore
Andy Smith
Robert Parker
Karl Pryce
Robbie Paul (Technically an academy product)

: Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:02 pm  

Ewwenorfolk wrote:

There's a number of former Bulls that are good solid players:

Stuart Reardon
Chris Bridge
Richard Moore
Andy Smith
Robert Parker
Karl Pryce
Robbie Paul (Technically an academy product)

The ones I mentioned were in addition to Calderwood, Walker, McGuire, Burrow, Bailey, Diskin, Jones Buchanan, Hall, Smith and Sinfield. Add to that the SL regulars like Mathers, Watkins, Scruton, Burgess and Ablett mentioned by Bullseye. You have merely reproduced the same list. I make that 25 Leeds products.
Who are these Andy Smith & Karl Pryce to who you refer?

: Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:14 pm  

Ryan Atkins
Brett Ferres
Chris Bridge
Stuart Fielden
Stuart Reardon
Paul Sykes
Karl Pryce
Leon Pryce
Robbie Paul
Robert Parker
Jamie Peacock
Andy Smith
Richard Moore
Jamie Langley
Sam Burgess
Matt James
Matt Cook
Craig Kopzcak
Dave Halley
Jason Crookes
Paul Deacon


Not that far behind really mate?

Plus one of our players is now the England captain so that's worth 2