Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:35 pm  

Pumpetypump wrote:

I'll just put this out there but is there anyone else feeling incredibly bleak still? I have the overwhelming sense that nothing good is going to come and in fact we are enduring something akin to torture on route to admin 4 or sustained lingering death.

What's the general mood? Has anyone found this has all got them genuinely down? Or us it apathy, anger or a blend?

I'm quite the optimist.

In fact I'm looking forward to the losing bidders throwing their teddy from the pram and starting a professional RL team in Bradford to rival that of the winning bidder.

But then who to support? Northern or the Bulls (or Bradford FC)?

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:42 pm  

atomic wrote:

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Turns out there's no money in it.

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:00 pm  

daveyz999 wrote:

I'm nervous that the RFL may well give the gig to either "Buyer B, C or D" and then "Buyer A" takes a huff and refuses to sell back the logo, naming rights etc.

Decent businesspeople don't take the huff. They make money. For instance, by selling back what they have for more than they paid for it. I wouldn't worry about that too much.

Re: Free Agents/Who would your 1st team be? : Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:22 pm  

psychostring wrote:

Chisholm posted "Everyone have faith" on twitter today followed by two thumbs up and a picture of a Bull. Read into that what you will. He also "liked" a couple of people's responses to today's T&A article which said he is likely to leave. The responses he "liked" were people saying it is all speculation and not to believe everything you read in the papers.

People's starting lineups that have been posted in this thread dont mention Colton Roche. He is a prop/second rower and was in the picture of all the lads training yesterday. That is one more tough, more experienced head to add to potentially add to the mix. We'd definitely need a few loans/signimgs though.

Still keeping fingers crossed and dreading reading T&A/Twitter every day in case another departure is announced.

Am I doing my sums right here:

23 regular season games = 46 points on offer.
46 minus 12 point deduction = 34 maximum points we can finish regular season on.
If we lose say 10 games (20 points) we finish on 14 points.
Bottom 2 last year finished on 11, third bottom 14 and fourth bottom 15.

That is before we consider the extra Championship Shield games and how that can change the table.

If we keep all the players listed and add a few more on loan there is no reason we can't survive. We lost 8 Championship games in the regular season last year and drew two. All of those results but for the Featherstone game came before we had both of Moss and Chisholm in the side and were playing Addy/Mathers/Haggerty/Thomas in the halves.

23 games = 46 points offer
Then split into the 8s, the bottom 8 which we were in last season, keep all their points. Then another 7 games so another 14 points on offer. So 60 points in total on offer overall, if we start on minus 12, the most we can get is 48

I think we can have our day in the sun again at the end of the season lifting the Championship Shield aloft

Re: Free Agents/Who would your 1st team be? : Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:40 pm  

poop or bust. Let's try and go up.

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:50 pm  

Pumpetypump wrote:

I'll just put this out there but is there anyone else feeling incredibly bleak still? I have the overwhelming sense that nothing good is going to come and in fact we are enduring something akin to torture on route to admin 4 or sustained lingering death.

What's the general mood? Has anyone found this has all got them genuinely down? Or us it apathy, anger or a blend?

I'm pessimistic (but isnt that in a Bulls fan DNA anyway).

I'm slightly curious like Nothus says.

I'm annoyed that I ignored my fiancee & family most of Christmas and New Year cos I was constantly checking on here for the latest news/gossip/updates. It even got to the point where she was asking "what's the latest on the Bulls" and she wouldnt know RL from RU.

But mostly I'm confused and sceptical. I may not understand it like some of you intelligent lot on here, but in simple-mans terms surely our club is only going to be bought by either;

(a) Someone who has got more money than they want, but sees this as an opportunity to get some land in Bradford - because an RL club on its own will never return decent profit, so they'll focus on the other business venture and the club will just bimble along between Champ and league1 year after year, or

(b) A dyed-in-the-wool Bradford fan who knows someone with money, but will struggle to keep us financially secure, so despite their heart in the right place, we'll stumble into admin 4

I cant understand why anyone else with half a brain cell would want to take on a depleted, demoralised team with a minus 12 point start, playing the favourites 3 times, with minimum funding and having to guarantee next 3 yrs finances - it just doesnt make sense. There's no sweetner being offered (that we know about); no true businessman is going to waste his time and money just cos he thinks the Bulls fans "deserve" it after all the crap they've had. I dont get it - what's in it for the buyer? Do they really have that sort of time and money to throw away.

Dont get me wrong - I really want someone to buy us; but I'm with pumpetypump on this one - preparing for the worse.

Good job I have you lot to cheer me up

Re: Free Agents/Who would your 1st team be? : Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:00 am  

roger daly wrote:

23 games = 46 points offer
Then split into the 8s, the bottom 8 which we were in last season, keep all their points. Then another 7 games so another 14 points on offer. So 60 points in total on offer overall, if we start on minus 12, the most we can get is 48

I think we can have our day in the sun again at the end of the season lifting the Championship Shield aloft

What did the League winner finish on?

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:06 am  

Smack him Jimmy wrote:

I'm pessimistic (but isnt that in a Bulls fan DNA anyway).

I'm slightly curious like Nothus says.

I'm annoyed that I ignored my fiancee & family most of Christmas and New Year cos I was constantly checking on here for the latest news/gossip/updates. It even got to the point where she was asking "what's the latest on the Bulls" and she wouldnt know RL from RU.

But mostly I'm confused and sceptical. I may not understand it like some of you intelligent lot on here, but in simple-mans terms surely our club is only going to be bought by either;

(a) Someone who has got more money than they want, but sees this as an opportunity to get some land in Bradford - because an RL club on its own will never return decent profit, so they'll focus on the other business venture and the club will just bimble along between Champ and league1 year after year, or

(b) A dyed-in-the-wool Bradford fan who knows someone with money, but will struggle to keep us financially secure, so despite their heart in the right place, we'll stumble into admin 4

I cant understand why anyone else with half a brain cell would want to take on a depleted, demoralised team with a minus 12 point start, playing the favourites 3 times, with minimum funding and having to guarantee next 3 yrs finances - it just doesnt make sense. There's no sweetner being offered (that we know about); no true businessman is going to waste his time and money just cos he thinks the Bulls fans "deserve" it after all the crap they've had. I dont get it - what's in it for the buyer? Do they really have that sort of time and money to throw away.

Dont get me wrong - I really want someone to buy us; but I'm with pumpetypump on this one - preparing for the worse.

Good job I have you lot to cheer me up

3 ADMINS = Something not viable..Maybe your new owner has the answer...

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:20 am  

atomic wrote:

Then he should use his professional journo,to proclaim the ones that are staying.As he doesn't know either side of the coin,his OFF THE CUFF lets make a statement, is P-$$ POOR.

You implying shaw is off the cuff on here

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:24 am  

Pumpetypump wrote:

I'll just put this out there but is there anyone else feeling incredibly bleak still? I have the overwhelming sense that nothing good is going to come and in fact we are enduring something akin to torture on route to admin 4 or sustained lingering death.

What's the general mood? Has anyone found this has all got them genuinely down? Or us it apathy, anger or a blend?

Due to circumstance work family etc not been there as much as I'd have liked last couple of years. Don't stop the hurt though. I'm in the genuinely down stage, as much as it's nice seeing Chisholm put on twitter keep the faith as much alas I'm trying feels like the RFL maybe asking too much for prospective owners