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Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:26 pm  
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Batley often play a local amateur representative team in pre-season, the Heavy Woollen. The RFL cover the insurance for this game. What's the difference? As the players don't currently have a professional contract, are they playing the game as amateurs?


The difficulty would be if they get a season threatening injury and whether they would be insured for loss of earnings, ie currently unemployed, with the new club and whether a new club would hire them I suppose.
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Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:37 pm  
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Batley often play a local amateur representative team in pre-season, the Heavy Woollen. The RFL cover the insurance for this game. What's the difference? As the players don't currently have a professional contract, are they playing the game as amateurs?


Are the amateurs not insured through there local amateur club or BARLA anyway.
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Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:56 pm  
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Are the amateurs not insured through there local amateur club or BARLA anyway.

BARLA insurance only covers death and disability as far as I'm aware, and club cover only covers you when playing for your club.
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Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:16 pm  
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Batley often play a local amateur representative team in pre-season, the Heavy Woollen. The RFL cover the insurance for this game. What's the difference? As the players don't currently have a professional contract, are they playing the game as amateurs?


If they're receiving a cut of the gate receipts then HMRC might beg to differ.
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Re: Free Agents/Who would your 1st team be? : Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:21 pm  
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23 games = 46 points offer
Then split into the 8s, the bottom 8 which we were in last season, keep all their points. Then another 7 games so another 14 points on offer. So 60 points in total on offer overall, if we start on minus 12, the most we can get is 48

I think we can have our day in the sun again at the end of the season lifting the Championship Shield aloft


I like the optimism!
However, just looking at avoiding relegation the sums are quite straightforward. Going off last season, after the playoffs Whitehaven went down on 17 points, Oldham survived on 20. So the absolute minimum we'll probably need is 18, starting on -12, 30 points required from 30 games. 15 wins, I think that's a better way to look at it rather than the depressing minus points stuff.

Assuming we get better as the season goes on, we might be able to win 5 of the 7 playoff games (?), which would mean we have to win 10 of the regular season games as a minimum to give ourselves a decent shot at avoiding relegation - I can see the current squad being able to have a good go at that with a few shrewd loan acquisitions in the forwards.

But, no two ways about it, its going to be tough, really difficult, and I'd say avoiding relegation in 2017 would be just as big an achievement as getting promotion from our current position.

This of course is all on the assumption that we;
a) Get an owner sorted this week (without a decent buyer this whole thread is moot)
b) Have some cash
c) Start the season
d) Re-sign the vast majority of the current ex squad available (which has to include Moss, Pryce, Chisholm and Kavanagh)
e) The RFL don't move the goalposts
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Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:26 pm  
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Batley often play a local amateur representative team in pre-season, the Heavy Woollen. The RFL cover the insurance for this game. What's the difference? As the players don't currently have a professional contract, are they playing the game as amateurs?



The club has been run by skint amateurs for many years so why not play as them.
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Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:32 pm  
Twickenham in the 1990s. Shamateurism.
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Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:36 pm  
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If they're receiving a cut of the gate receipts then HMRC might beg to differ.


Pfft. We don't need to pay HMRC, we're Bradford Bull....erm.... Bradford Select!

Tax rules don't apply to Bradford sides. Ask Marc Green.
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Re: Free Agents/Who would your 1st team be? : Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:41 pm  
I for one am hoping of a result this week in terms of owners and re-signing the squad. I am very much looking forward to a season of "Backs Against The Wall" and "Against All Odds" mentality. I know we hate hearing it from owners. But we really do need to get behind the lads more than ever, especially the ones who have stayed through all this.

We know the score for next season, we aren't getting promoted, it will be a straight forward fight against relegation. No false promises of SL or top 4. I for one can buy into that knowing what our goals will be. I just hope we can get a very good away following at Hull KR (maybe 1,500-2,000?). And a good 5k at the first home game, even just to show our support and appreciation.

A 1,000 or so at Batley on Sunday would be helpful and awesome at the same time!
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Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:46 pm  
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If they're receiving a cut of the gate receipts then HMRC might beg to differ.


It's technically a donation from Batley to the players. Batley would pay tax on the gate reciepts as per usual. The money left over would be split in half (thanks to Batley's generosity). So really the HMRC shouldn't be able to touch it.
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