Re: Bulls Takeover : Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:02 pm  

It was interesting listening to the bi-play between Mick and Craig on the full 80 about the situation at the Bulls. They seem to know what the true situation is, not only this time but on previous admins. They also kept saying that Bulls fans should know the situation. That being the case I would like someone who is genuinely in the know to spill the beans. It seems clear that this is Admin 4 and no-one has the stomach to carry on so there is nothing to lose.

Re: Bulls Takeover : Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:08 pm  

Duckman wrote:

I agree, this might be me done if it goes the usual bulls way (ie cr@p). If its true about the pensions, and the lack of medical care for the players that's not an organisation I want to be associated with. And the problem now is these are not one off things, we've (the supporters) dealt with so many lies and terrible organisational behaviour from the Bulls and the rfl over so many years that I have to draw a line somewhere, and this might well be it.

Dodgy owner put in by inept governing body (remember they hand picked chalmers as a fit and proper owner)due to massive conflict of interest due to historic dodgy deals between club and rfl (and all covered in lies) now were not paying pension or medical cover, whilst taking the club out of the city so I don't even have the habit of going to odsal, this leads to probable admin and points deduction (any criminal proceedings on offer - probably shoud be somewhere along the line??) and seeing another generation of kids playing for other better run teams....
could well be me done, can't keep going round on this death spiral, lifes too short for something so important to me to be so consistently damaging. I hope Im wrong and events take a positive turn with some new owners, but I'm not holding my breath....and if its going to die, please just let it die quickly, don't be dragging it out.

To be honest mate, the Bulls haven't been that important for to me for a few years. Though I probably went to more games this season than any in the last 3 years, they've played some good stuff this year and I hoped they were slowly building something. But it's very disappointing to see good young players continually making the grade at other clubs after we've either sold or lost them due to money problems. I've not watched much SL on tv for a good few years either so I guess it's not such a big step for me to give up on the sport of RL.

It was certainly becoming an expensive hobby with a family at Odsal anyway, can easily have a much cheaper day out that the kids would probably enjoy more anyway.

Re: Bulls Takeover : Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:44 pm  

Bully_Boxer wrote:

To be honest mate, the Bulls haven't been that important for to me for a few years. Though I probably went to more games this season than any in the last 3 years, they've played some good stuff this year and I hoped they were slowly building something. But it's very disappointing to see good young players continually making the grade at other clubs after we've either sold or lost them due to money problems. I've not watched much SL on tv for a good few years either so I guess it's not such a big step for me to give up on the sport of RL.

It was certainly becoming an expensive hobby with a family at Odsal anyway, can easily have a much cheaper day out that the kids would probably enjoy more anyway.

I agree, I thought after coming back up from L1 and a decent season in the Championship that we'd turned a corner. We seemed to have a chairman who knew what he was doing and was working towards the best interests of the club.

Turns out he's another chancer who's strung us along and left us in the poop

Re: Bulls Takeover : Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:54 pm  

rugbyreddog wrote:

It was interesting listening to the bi-play between Mick and Craig on the full 80 about the situation at the Bulls. They seem to know what the true situation is, not only this time but on previous admins. They also kept saying that Bulls fans should know the situation. That being the case I would like someone who is genuinely in the know to spill the beans. It seems clear that this is Admin 4 and no-one has the stomach to carry on so there is nothing to lose.

Tbh if what they claim to know is true there would be no risk in saying so would they, or am I missing something??

Having an opinion and what the facts actually are can be 2 different animals completely..
Mick has a bit of reputation to be fair but Craig to listen to comes across as Mr straight...

Re: Bulls Takeover : Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:04 pm  

Duckman wrote:

I agree, this might be me done if it goes the usual bulls way (ie cr@p). If its true about the pensions, and the lack of medical care for the players that's not an organisation I want to be associated with. And the problem now is these are not one off things, we've (the supporters) dealt with so many lies and terrible organisational behaviour from the Bulls and the rfl over so many years that I have to draw a line somewhere, and this might well be it.

Dodgy owner put in by inept governing body (remember they hand picked chalmers as a fit and proper owner)due to massive conflict of interest due to historic dodgy deals between club and rfl (and all covered in lies) now were not paying pension or medical cover, whilst taking the club out of the city so I don't even have the habit of going to odsal, this leads to probable admin and points deduction (any criminal proceedings on offer - probably shoud be somewhere along the line??) and seeing another generation of kids playing for other better run teams....
could well be me done, can't keep going round on this death spiral, lifes too short for something so important to me to be so consistently damaging. I hope Im wrong and events take a positive turn with some new owners, but I'm not holding my breath....and if its going to die, please just let it die quickly, don't be dragging it out.

Pretty much my feelings exactly

The bit in bold is that part that I'd really, REALLY like to have thoroughly investigated and exposed for what really happened. It's been stated in print that Chalmers was not only 'appointed' but also 'approached' by the RFL to take over the club.

IF it turns out that there has been dodgy stuff going on all along (3 years of pension contributions suggests so) then the RFL surely HAVE to be held to account.

I won't hold my breath though....

Re: Bulls Takeover : Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:28 pm  

These situations always bring out the liars. You would think we have enough experience by now to take everyone who claims to have insider knowledge with a whole salt shaker, never mind a pinch. And yet still the stirring and attention seeking gets people talking.
There's only one person who claims any insider knowledge on here that I ever believe and that's Roger, largely because he has backed everything up in the past and only passes on information he knows to be accurate and he is able to share. Anyone else claiming knowledge, remember your salt folks and try not to get wound up. If you want to put energies into this, I'd suggest just hoping something gets sorted that those who want a club still have it, and those who have been shafted with pensions or unpaid bills get their money.

Re: Bulls Takeover : Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:36 pm  

paulwalker71 wrote:

Pretty much my feelings exactly

The bit in bold is that part that I'd really, REALLY like to have thoroughly investigated and exposed for what really happened. It's been stated in print that Chalmers was not only 'appointed' but also 'approached' by the RFL to take over the club.

IF it turns out that there has been dodgy stuff going on all along (3 years of pension contributions suggests so) then the RFL surely HAVE to be held to account.

I won't hold my breath though....

I'm not so sure where I fall on this. Whilst I agree that on the face of it a massive blunder has been made by the RFL in picking this particular chairman, I'm not sure how much blame falls at their feet for what's happened. How much can you really know about a person before they perform the act? Sure there were some warning signs there, but presumably there were also some indications that they may do something right, otherwise why would they possibly have gone down that route in the first place.

It kind of reminds me of a situation a few years back when an ex work colleague of mine died. Whilst looking up funeral proceedings on the internet, we discovered that actually he had a past before we worked with him that made him very much not a nice man. Without going into detail of what he did, it was bad enough that he only escaped jail time because he appeared to be terminal at the time (he ended up at least temporarily beating that diagnosis). I worked with him for years never knowing about the past and before it was discovered, I would have swore blind he was a lovely chap. Since presumably his past wasn't known about when he was hired, should the people that hired him be lambasted for doing so, even though they clearly didn't know what he was? I don't think they should.
Different situation I know, but when people are saying the RFL should take the blame, it just reminds me of that event. Which is why I'm not sure where my opinion sits on it.

Re: Bulls Takeover : Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:38 pm  

what worries me in the link between how Chalmers and Lowe ended up at the club is that 3 years is how long they have lasted.
3 years til the odsal break clause, 3 years log enough to hide certain things? long enough for them to advance monies without becoming apparent? long enough to not look overly suspicious. 3 years for the then chief exec who was close friends to plot an exit from his roles and have less ties with the rfl?
it is a shame we cant as bulls fans push a claim against the rfl for their interference in the administrations as their input has clearly not helped. The stipulations and punishments were never going to aid an organisation to thrive not that I am supporting Chalmers but whoever did take over may have challenged this more if it wasnt for the rfl insisting and bringing in their yes man. I am not blaming the rfl as a conspiracy against us as they haven't allegedly mislaid pension payments for 3 years nor do I know of any involvement.

Re: Bulls Takeover : Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:41 pm  

DILLIGAF wrote:

I'm not so sure where I fall on this. Whilst I agree that on the face of it a massive blunder has been made by the RFL in picking this particular chairman, I'm not sure how much blame falls at their feet for what's happened. How much can you really know about a person before they perform the act? Sure there were some warning signs there, but presumably there were also some indications that they may do something right, otherwise why would they possibly have gone down that route in the first place.

It kind of reminds me of a situation a few years back when an ex work colleague of mine died. Whilst looking up funeral proceedings on the internet, we discovered that actually he had a past before we worked with him that made him very much not a nice man. Without going into detail of what he did, it was bad enough that he only escaped jail time because he appeared to be terminal at the time (he ended up at least temporarily beating that diagnosis). I worked with him for years never knowing about the past and before it was discovered, I would have swore blind he was a lovely chap. Since presumably his past wasn't known about when he was hired, should the people that hired him be lambasted for doing so, even though they clearly didn't know what he was? I don't think they should.
Different situation I know, but when people are saying the RFL should take the blame, it just reminds me of that event. Which is why I'm not sure where my opinion sits on it.

That's exactly why it needs to be thoroughly investigated

If the RFL were shown to be without any fault, then fair play to them. But, as it stands there always seems to be 'smoke and mirrors' when we hit trouble, which gives rise to the speculation. Only by the whole process, going right back to them giving Hood the loan, being independently investigated can those issues be put to bed.

Let them 'clear the air' if they really do have nothing to hide

Re: Bulls Takeover : Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:45 pm  

DILLIGAF wrote:

These situations always bring out the liars. You would think we have enough experience by now to take everyone who claims to have insider knowledge with a whole salt shaker, never mind a pinch. And yet still the stirring and attention seeking gets people talking.
There's only one person who claims any insider knowledge on here that I ever believe and that's Roger, largely because he has backed everything up in the past and only passes on information he knows to be accurate and he is able to share. Anyone else claiming knowledge, remember your salt folks and try not to get wound up. If you want to put energies into this, I'd suggest just hoping something gets sorted that those who want a club still have it, and those who have been shafted with pensions or unpaid bills get their money.

Couldn't have put it better myself.