Re: Ownership of Club Changes : Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:26 am  

Two important lessons can be learnt from this mess:
1) Don't spend more than you earn
2) If you do need help with cash flow timing - be very careful who you borrow from and be dam sure you can pay it back if the bloke you borrowed from has a baseball bat.

I fear Adey's attempts to find logical explanations for the actions of the last few year's will prove futile as it looks very much as if the BOD were flying by the seat of their pants most of the time, and as for Whitecut is he the only person the RFL have ever declared to not be suitable?

Re: Ownership of Club Changes : Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:41 am  

Northernrelic wrote:

and as for Whitecut is he the only person the RFL have ever declared to not be suitable?

Wasn't Widnes's elevation to SL delayed for similar reasons?

Re: Ownership of Club Changes : Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:49 am  

Adeybull wrote: I think a key bit of evidence for this might be in the wording of this statement, and here too.. LMFAO in both those statements Mr Whitcut states "Bulls general manager Ryan Whitcut said: "The funding issue is to cover us for the rest of this year and next, so there will be no more issues." So he didn't know about the HMRC bill that was due or that the Bradford council and Mr Greens loans would need to be paid back Well you keep spinning the spin adey, you're doing a great job

Adeybull wrote: I think a key bit of evidence for this might be in the wording of this statement, and here too.. LMFAO in both those statements Mr Whitcut states "Bulls general manager Ryan Whitcut said: "The funding issue is to cover us for the rest of this year and next, so there will be no more issues." So he didn't know about the HMRC bill that was due or that the Bradford council and Mr Greens loans would need to be paid back Well you keep spinning the spin adey, you're doing a great job

Re: Ownership of Club Changes : Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:52 am  

Northernrelic wrote:

I fear Adey's attempts to find logical explanations for the actions of the last few year's will prove futile...

Not even attempting to try and explain the actions of the last administration. Concluded ages ago that many were illogical and made little sense to me!

Re: Ownership of Club Changes : Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:00 pm  

financialtimes wrote:

LMFAO in both those statements Mr Whitcut states "Bulls general manager Ryan Whitcut said: "The funding issue is to cover us for the rest of this year and next, so there will be no more issues."

So he didn't know about the HMRC bill that was due or that the Bradford council and Mr Greens loans would need to be paid back

Well you keep spinning the spin adey, you're doing a great job

Not spinning anything. Just giving my take on what I see. I suspect some of that take may not be to the liking of the latest administration either, but so be it.

But, regarding your specific point from those statements, I am in violent agreement with you. Although Green's loan was taken out much later - when OK stepped down, and maybe plugged a gap when his funding came to a halt, I can only speculate? And the HMRC liability is likely to be far more recent even than that. But yes, time has showed what a joke those statements were. I did not post on here (or anywhere) from early April to late November. Maybe I had views about what I saw happening or being said?

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Re: Ownership of Club Changes : Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:10 pm  

Wooden Stand wrote:

There is a 6point penalty for going into Administration.

Presumably in your world the penalty for driving without due care and attention is 9 points? The fact that in real life the incident is objectively assessed and you may get anything between 3 and 9 points, or even no points at all, must really mess with your head. Everything is so black and white isn't it.

Re: Ownership of Club Changes : Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:15 pm  

What is the penalty for posting on an internet forum without due care and attention?

Re: Ownership of Club Changes : Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:20 pm  

As an outsider looking in (if its possible to see in through the murk and confusion) and trying to put aside the minute details (if that is possible).
At some point, hopefully before the season kicks off, the RFL will make some kind of decision about dealing with the situation.
What would be seen as fair by the Bulls supporters?
1. Expulsion from the league - that is what Wakey were threated would be the consequence of admin, the company owning the bulls went into admin prior to the takeover.
2. A 6 point deduction lowering to 4 if evidence of creditors being paid up is given.
3. A 4 point deduction.
4. No points deducted, as you have done nothing wrong.
Whatever the outcome this is another sorry day for the leadership of our game, our game and your club.
Before anyone suggests I'm crowing - as a supporter of Wakefield, we have little to crow about as we have been let down and been a let down to the game ourselves.
I think the devil is in the detail though on this one, so i guess it might all come down to the detail in the end.

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Re: Ownership of Club Changes : Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:43 pm  

The devil is in the detail there lies the problem. I've no idea if all the facts will ever come out so I've no idea what penalty if any the RFL might give or whether it's warranted or not.

We can speculate till the cows come home but at the end of the day we'll have to all accept the RFL's decision as we're unlikely to be privvy to the info that they have. As a result I've no idea what should happen to us or whether it's fair.

Obviously I hope for my club's sake it's nothing too bad but if we're deserving of a serious punishment then so be it. I do find the fact that followers of other clubs seem to be so much better informed and able to make such black and white judgements pretty funny though.

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Re: Ownership of Club Changes : Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:44 pm  

kinleycat wrote:

As an outsider looking in (if its possible to see in through the murk and confusion) and trying to put aside the minute details (if that is possible).
At some point, hopefully before the season kicks off, the RFL will make some kind of decision about dealing with the situation.
What would be seen as fair by the Bulls supporters?
1. Expulsion from the league - that is what Wakey were threated would be the consequence of admin, the company owning the bulls went into admin prior to the takeover.
2. A 6 point deduction lowering to 4 if evidence of creditors being paid up is given.
3. A 4 point deduction.
4. No points deducted, as you have done nothing wrong.
Whatever the outcome this is another sorry day for the leadership of our game, our game and your club.
Before anyone suggests I'm crowing - as a supporter of Wakefield, we have little to crow about as we have been let down and been a let down to the game ourselves.
I think the devil is in the detail though on this one, so i guess it might all come down to the detail in the end.

I can't speak for everyone but personally I can talk sense with normals such as yourself until the cows come home. Its rabid "Bradford should get 6 points" probably with "end of" tagged on as if to emphasize the biggotry that really get on my moobs.

I'll be perfectly honest I have severe doubts that your point 1 ever happened. Tricky this because I'm not accusing anyone of being dishonest. It feels like an understandable exaggeration made to you poor Wakey fans wondering what the hell is going on, and said in a bid to reinforce how close you came to oblivion. Perhaps a bit of white charger in there?

We can't really know what happened because the RFL are hardly like to call him out and say "er we said nothing of the sort" and nor is he going to say "Yeah I exaggerated a little bit but it seemed plausible at the time".

How about a brand new option of a 4 point deduction and full Sky money. Still up against it but not totally screwed over?