Re: Ownership and twists : Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:54 pm  

I think that Scruton and Sammut both left with the 'blessing' of the club.

I think Carvell is the only one who poses a difficult question, but rather like the Kopczak case, I think our weak position with the RFL means, rather like a hospitalised child and Jimmy Savile, we just have to shut up and take it.

Re: Ownership and twists : Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:55 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

I reckon so. But the players' situation never was explained, having been TUPEd across to BB2014, there is no legal way that I have ever heard of how they came to be beamed back to OKB. I assume nobody made a fuss or took the point as they just wanted their wages paying, whoever paid them, but the consensus of legal opinion is that there can be no such thing as a reversible TUPE.

And if there was, and no actual TUPE (with hindsight) happened, so the players never actually left OKB, then interestingly where does that leave Scruton? As I say, this is such a minefield I fully expect everyone to quietly ignore it, and I expect they will all pretend that the players are being TUPEd from OKB to BBNL as if the previous TUPE which Scruton rejected never actually happened.

On which basis, yes, they can all refuse to be TUPEd and become free agents.

I realise you don't want to see his name but maybe replace "Scruton" with "Carvell".
#nickisinnocent

Re: Ownership and twists : Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:56 pm  

childofthenorthern wrote:

I realise you don't want to see his name but maybe replace "Scruton" with "Carvell".
#nickisinnocent

Re: Ownership and twists : Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:58 pm  

I see Marc Green has been involved with a lot of companies that have been dissolved.His Safeguard company has had 3 different name variations,today's credit limit is 25 grand

Re: Ownership and twists : Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:08 pm  

I feel for you guys, you have had to put up with so much c$ap.

You should be given a fresh start and a level playing field, perhaps a 2 point deduction but full Sky money.

If your new owner fails and you find yourselves in this position again (I pray this doesn't happen), then are the RFL going to take some responsibility for approving Green's business plan?

Just like they did (not) with OK after they approved his business plan which meant he was only putting loans in.

They want the authority but not the responsibility. All the bids should have been made publically available for the fans to also have their say as to who was most appropriate to buy the club.
After all what happened to the £0.5M you raised and gave to the club and why were you all not given the same respect as a "stakeholder" (god I hate that word) to decide who and what is best for the club you love?

Re: Ownership and twists : Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:09 pm  

If no players are brought in by the end of April I think we can kiss goodbye to Super League and a lot of fans.

Re: Ownership and twists : Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:14 pm  

Interview with Francis http://www.totalrl.com/web/francis-cummins-relieved-takeover-complete/

Interview with Francis http://www.totalrl.com/web/francis-cummins-relieved-takeover-complete/

Re: Ownership and twists : Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:16 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Er, but that IS a trick! Winding up was entirely avoidable, by the simple expedient of paying HMRC what they were owed.

A simple expedient if you have the cash

Re: Ownership and twists : Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:21 pm  

daveyz999 wrote: Interview with Francis http://www.totalrl.com/web/francis-cummins-relieved-takeover-complete/ "Cummins was cautious over naming timings for potential incomings at the Bulls, admitting it will be tough to get people in before Sunday’s clash against the Vikings. “Who knows. It could do because there is a cutoff point of Thursday, so that will be tight, but we just have to wait and see.”" Does that suggest he's been told that he can recruit?

daveyz999 wrote: Interview with Francis http://www.totalrl.com/web/francis-cummins-relieved-takeover-complete/ "Cummins was cautious over naming timings for potential incomings at the Bulls, admitting it will be tough to get people in before Sunday’s clash against the Vikings. “Who knows. It could do because there is a cutoff point of Thursday, so that will be tight, but we just have to wait and see.”" Does that suggest he's been told that he can recruit?

Re: Ownership and twists : Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:21 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Er, but that IS a trick! Winding up was entirely avoidable, by the simple expedient of paying HMRC what they were owed.

No, without the cash being available, Marc Green has said it was Admin or Liquidation. The RFL want to know if the Bulls had the cash to pay but choose Admin to avoid the debt instead.