: Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:22 am  

I thought the booing of Platt when he had scored was fairly pathetic.

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:33 am  

Adeybull wrote:

On the now-locked thread, an accusation:


was made which - since its in the public domain - I'd like to answer. Then I will refer to it no more.

As I said, I do not recognise that as a quote from me. What I DO recognise is these exchanges, from just before the Leeds match on a thread suggesting we should actually get behind the team:









The "debate" continued, but I won't bore people with the details (check out the thread if you can;t sleep) since apart from some limited backsliding from ME, little of worth was added.

Then, we had, post-match:







Now: I presume this is the exchange where I allegedly said "99% of Bradford fans did not boo as it would be unacceptable" or words to that effect?

If so, I would suggest that - once again - ME has twisted and corrupted what was actually said, and used it out of context. In particular, you will see that the discussion was specifically about the coach being booed when he came out, and my "99%" was clearly referring to the fact that when he DID come out and when his face WAS shown on the big screen you heard little if any booing.

So, ME, I state that your allegation was untruthful.

But I leave the readers to judge for themselves.

I am sure people can judge. Last week you were quick to use 99% of the crowd as a reason to back up your own points. This week there were quite a bit more than 1% who appeared to have issues with the coach and the side.

As for it being untruthful? Your inference was clearly there as you suggest that booing was unacceptable at the game.

You used this as a bit of comfort last week but the fact is now that the opinion is clearly different from the one that you spoke of last week.

Re: Booing : Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:35 am  

vbfg wrote:

I said anyone who boos their own team is an idiot.

Happy to clear up your delusion.

Plenty of people for you to get your claws into this week then isn't there?

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:37 am  

There was a lot of boos ringing out last night. It made me feel sick.
Horrible. I can't imagine how it made the players feel.

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:39 am  

And besides, some Bulls fans have got a lot to learn about booing. Some of the Warrington fans were booing their own players as they were announced. That's true dedication, travelling all the way over to boo the team!

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:58 am  

debaser wrote:

There was a lot of boos ringing out last night. It made me feel sick.
Horrible. I can't imagine how it made the players feel.

Humiliated. Hopefully.

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:04 am  

mystic eddie wrote:

I am sure people can judge. Last week you were quick to use 99% of the crowd as a reason to back up your own points. This week there were quite a bit more than 1% who appeared to have issues with the coach and the side.

As for it being untruthful? Your inference was clearly there as you suggest that booing was unacceptable at the game.

You used this as a bit of comfort last week but the fact is now that the opinion is clearly different from the one that you spoke of last week.

I am sick and tired of you twisting what people say to suit your own perverted ends. You have a very long track record of doing it. Its not clever. Its dishonest. You lied about what I actually said, then when I proved you to be a liar you just continue down a different route of attempting to demonstrate that something different was said or meant to what actually was.

There were many very very angry and dispirited fans on here last night posting genuine emotion and genuine feelings. I entirely respect their views and their right to do and post what they do, even if I don't always agree. Unfortunately we had one dishonest supposed supporter on - you - who it appeared could just not wait to get on to show how clever he was and how smart he was at twisting what people said to suit his own nasty mean little agenda. If you want to come on and rub people's noses in it then fine - I and others did that to you last week. But do it honestly and don't lie.

Emotion, passion, genuine anger I am fine with. But dishonesty from a seeming attention-seeking drama queen who appears to thrive on the club's problems deserves nothing but contempt. We have enough problems to contend with without you fanning the flames.

I have no intention of entering into protracted debate with you, since the attention appears to be all you really want out of your time on here, so we won't need to trouble the mods further.

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:15 am  

bullsonfire wrote:

Humiliated. Hopefully.

Yes, they may well have done. And probably a lot more emotions too. And on that showing most of them could have few grounds to argue.

But have you ever had any success in motivating people on your team through humiliation? I haven't in all my God-knows how many years of managing people. I'm not sure how you DO motivate some of that lot (a bazooka may be one option, but its probably a little too anti-social) but I'm sure there must be more effective ways. The trouble is, we as fans have limited options compared to the coaching staff, and as paying customers the players will surely realise why some fans reacted the way they did.

I heard little booing in the area of the stand where I am, although you could hear some pockets of it. Some Localised Macca Out shouts near the end. If fans want to vent their feelings that way, they have every right to.

But what was far more worrying to me was the general look of stunned despair on so many faces, and the number of people leaving early saying I've had enough of this. It was the silence, the numbness, that was scary. In the long run, we are going to lose dedicated supporters, and unfortunately that could be the real legacy of what we saw last night.

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:16 am  

Adeybull wrote:

I am sick and tired of you twisting what people say to suit your own perverted ends. You have a very long track record of doing it. Its not clever. Its dishonest. You lied about what I actually said, then when I proved you to be a liar you just continue down a different route of attempting to demonstrate that something different was said or meant to what actually was.

There were many very very angry and dispirited fans on here last night posting genuine emotion and genuine feelings. I entirely respect their views and their right to do and post what they do, even if I don't always agree. Unfortunately we had one dishonest supposed supporter on - you - who it appeared could just not wait to get on to show how clever he was and how smart he was at twisting what people said to suit his own nasty mean little agenda. If you want to come on and rub people's noses in it then fine - I and others did that to you last week. But do it honestly and don't lie.

Emotion, passion, genuine anger I am fine with. But dishonesty from a seeming attention-seeking drama queen who appears to thrive on the club's problems deserves nothing but contempt. We have enough problems to contend with without you fanning the flames.

I have no intention of entering into protracted debate with you, since the attention appears to be all you really want out of your time on here, so we won't need to trouble the mods further.

Oh I am happy to rub peoples' noses in it. Shame that some of them will not post on here for a while till the next win.

As for being dishonest? Come on. Your inference was perfectly clear.

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:20 am  

Adeybull wrote:

Yes, they may well have done. And probably a lot more emotions too. And on that showing most of them could have few grounds to argue.

But have you ever had any success in motivating people on your team through humiliation? I haven't in all my God-knows how many years of managing people. I'm not sure how you DO motivate some of that lot (a bazooka may be one option, but its probably a little too anti-social) but I'm sure there must be more effective ways. The trouble is, we as fans have limited options compared to the coaching staff, and as paying customers the players will surely realise why some fans reacted the way they did.

I heard little booing in the area of the stand where I am, although you could hear some pockets of it. Some Localised Macca Out shouts near the end. If fans want to vent their feelings that way, they have every right to.

But what was far more worrying to me was the general look of stunned despair on so many faces, and the number of people leaving early saying I've had enough of this. It was the silence, the numbness, that was scary. In the long run, we are going to lose dedicated supporters, and unfortunately that could be the real legacy of what we saw last night.

Great post

Just sums up the way i feel right now.