: Sun May 24, 2009 4:59 pm  

Adeybull wrote:

Bollox. And you know it and everyone reading this thread can see it. You are trying to rewrite history yet again, once you have lost an argument.

You comfort yourself with that thought. It amazes me that you constantly go on about people taking me seriously yet you cannot stop yourself from commenting on most of the posts I make.

You go on about my agenda so I would ask you why it is that numerous people make the same posts as I do yet you ignore them and choose to pick me up? Why? Is it because it is actually you that has an agenda?

Still, I will note the fact that I should not bother replying to af in the future (TBH, what my reply had to do with you is a mystery to me in the first place? ) just so that you cannot jump in and find fault with an opinion.

: Sun May 24, 2009 5:18 pm  

The deal is you post, you get to have your say, then others get to have their say on what you've said, regardless as to who you were replying to. On both the threads, you've lost the argument by default in trying to turn it into a generic 'we're cr.p so SM must go' debate. But the question here is who could we get/have got that would be likely to do better? and the question on the other thread is what should he say to the press?. And you're ducking them both.

: Sun May 24, 2009 5:46 pm  

af wrote:

The deal is you post, you get to have your say, then others get to have their say on what you've said, regardless as to who you were replying to. On both the threads, you've lost the argument by default in trying to turn it into a generic 'we're cr.p so SM must go' debate. But the question here is who could we get/have got that would be likely to do better? and the question on the other thread is what should he say to the press?. And you're ducking them both.

No I am not. In regards to who we could have got I said that we should have made a move for Tony Smith. If we tried, and failed, then so be it. I also would have put the names of Justin Morgan and Brian McDermott into the fray too.

Whether they would have done better or not, only time will tell, but to do any worse would take a lot of effort.

As for what he should say to the press? Is it too much to ask for a bit of honesty? Or is it perfectly ok to try and hoodwink the support by coming out with the same old garbage every week? We are sitting 13th in a league of 14 and are a complete embarrassment at the moment yet he still reckons that we will take SL by storm in the second half of the season. Who is he trying to kid?

So it is not ducking anything. I am sick of the same old crap, especially when he seems incapable of doing what he tells us he is going to do. What I personally wish he would say to the media is the following....

"I admit that I have tried my best but I am not producing the type of quality that I would like and (no doubt) said I could deliver before I was offered the job. It has been a big task for me, and one that I have given my best to but ultimately fallen short so it is for the best of the club, and myself, if I move aside and let another person take on the role."

But that won't happen sadly so if he cannot say anything that carries any weight, he should perhaps just refuse to pass comment.

: Sun May 24, 2009 6:03 pm  

Brian Mac is the man that we need to turn our club around,he was very well respected in the work that he did along side tony smith at leeds and he has stamped his mark on the quins,i would rather give mac the job than bring an overseas coach in

: Sun May 24, 2009 7:02 pm  

mystic eddie wrote:

More twisting of what was actually said

Don't flatter yourself - I have ignored nearly everything you have posted for a while now - indeed, pretty well ignored you, period. I just chose to pick up on two points on separate threads, which you could have either ignored or dealt with in a quite straightforward manner. But instead you ducked the issues, then resorted to insults and twisting/inventing what I said

Yes, others make similar points to you. The difference is that - in the main - most put forward reasoned arguments, recognise positives where they arise (albeit few and far between these days) and criticise constructively. And don't resort to personal insults and to twisting what others say when losing the argument. You could do well to follow such examples.

And, for that matter, most of the others do not give the impression that they cannot wait to get on here every time we do badly to crank up the same old agenda about sacking the coach. And most of the others anyway actually see the team play on a regular basis.

Yes, I DO have an agenda - I prefer to see reasoned and balanced debate and constructive criticism, free from personal insults and free from twisting and corrupting and selectively-quoting what others say. I don't see any of that from you.

And as for what your reply to af has to do with me? You posted it on a public forum, so I am entitled to comment as I see fit. If you want to engage in a private discussion with af where others are not to comment, do it by PM. The only reason I am not dealing with THIS by PM is that I have tried in the past - and to no avail - and because you are doing your usual trick and playing out your attention-seeking me-badly-wronged approach in public once again.

I'll not post any more in response to or about you on this thread - its been derailed enough as it is.

: Sun May 24, 2009 7:22 pm  

Northern Boys wrote:

Brian Mac is the man that we need to turn our club around,he was very well respected in the work that he did along side tony smith at leeds and he has stamped his mark on the quins,i would rather give mac the job than bring an overseas coach in

If the head coach position became vacant, I'd have a lot of sympathy with that approach (think I've said that before?)

But we'd need to find some way of both enticing him away from his current job - where he seems to be doing just fine - to a club that clearly faces a number of significant issues, AND of paying Quins the inevitable compensation.

: Sun May 24, 2009 7:32 pm  

mystic eddie wrote:

The original point is that af asked me who i would have had. I did not realise i had to give a full financial assessment before answering. Still, it will be interesting to see if bp can play your wind up game in the open for once.

mystic eddie wrote:

Still, I will note the fact that I should not bother replying to af in the future (TBH, what my reply had to do with you is a mystery to me in the first place? ) just so that you cannot jump in and find fault with an opinion.

. . . you seem to have me mistaken with someone who plays games, wind up or otherwise ME

If you're wanting a one to one discussion with AF may I suggest a public access board may not be the best place for that. Just a thought

You may want to consider doing it in private - that way nobody will eaves drop, be offended by your discussion. . . . then again, we both now that private doesn't cut much with some people, don't we ME

: Sun May 24, 2009 7:45 pm  

Adeybull wrote:

If the head coach position became vacant, I'd have a lot of sympathy with that approach (think I've said that before?)

But we'd need to find some way of both enticing him away from his current job - where he seems to be doing just fine - to a club that clearly faces a number of significant issues, AND of paying Quins the inevitable compensation.

Nicely put Adey,i think that were both singing out of the same hymn sheet here!

: Sun May 24, 2009 8:32 pm  

Northern Boys wrote:

Nicely put Adey,i think that were both singing out of the same hymn sheet here!

Is that because your the same person.

: Sun May 24, 2009 8:58 pm  

redeverready wrote:

Is that because your the same person.

No. I only ever had one alias, couple of years ago, and you know anyway who that was.

I'm sure some helpful mod could confirm anyway.