: Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:17 pm  

I don't fully agree with TerryM's post but I can understand where he's coming from.

: Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:19 pm  

Adeybull wrote:

Presumably to offload salary cap (or otherwise) spend then. Thanks

That's what I heard it was for.

: Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:23 pm  

redeverready wrote:

No he was offered straight up no compensation.

wasnt robbie offered as part of a swap deal for ellis?

: Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:26 pm  

mat wrote:

wasnt robbie offered as part of a swap deal for ellis?

Reardon and Langley.

: Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:26 pm  

mat wrote:

wasnt robbie offered as part of a swap deal for ellis?

That was Reardon and Langley wasn't it?


At the time, we all went crazy that the club would offer those 2. In retrospect, it would been a bloody good deal....

: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:09 pm  

Terry Monster wrote:

Why did we have little choice, they had a contract to play for us and we in return pay them. They should have been made to see out their contracts and then gone onto elsewhere, otherwise they shouldn't have signed them in the first place. I don't buy into the argument that if a player doesn't want to play for you he wont give his best, most professionals player will always try their best when wanting out even if it's just for their team mates.

I am sure Hape would have honoured his contract if we had insisted, but I don't think you can realistically expect the best from someone if they're not happy being somewhere.

Terry Monster wrote:

As for the timing, I couldn't disagree more, in Hape's case last year we were badly lacking star quality in the outside backs yet we go and sell our most dangerous back without adequate replacements already in the squad or being able to bring in a adequate replacement either.

But we hadn't seen the star quality from Hape last year. Perhaps his mind was already elsewhere but I got the impression some of his play was a little bit less than 100%. The away game at Catalans was one such game that springs to mind. They kicked through and Hape pretty much stood and watched rather than dive on the ball.

: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:18 pm  

Bully_Boxer wrote:

I am sure Hape would have honoured his contract if we had insisted, but I don't think you can realistically expect the best from someone if they're not happy being somewhere.

Why not, Jamie Peacock and Leon Pryce didn't let their team mates down in 2005 did they? Did you expect anything less from them when they were unhappy?

Bully_Boxer wrote:

But we hadn't seen the star quality from Hape last year. Perhaps his mind was already elsewhere but I got the impression some of his play was a little bit less than 100%. The away game at Catalans was one such game that springs to mind. They kicked through and Hape pretty much stood and watched rather than dive on the ball.

Maybe he was just out of form, it does happen. It doesn't mean that he was purposely playing bad because he wanted out. Who's to say that it wouldn't have picked up. I can't see a player of that quality staying out of form for so long and in my opinion it wasn't terrible anyway.

: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:26 pm  

Terry Monster wrote:

Why not, Jamie Peacock and Leon Pryce didn't let their team mates down in 2005 did they? Did you expect anything less from them when they were unhappy?

It's a fair point, I suppose each case is different. I guess it would depend on how desperate said player was to go, you'd have to ask Hape that or the people who allowed him to leave.

Terry Monster wrote:

Maybe he was just out of form, it does happen. It doesn't mean that he was purposely playing bad because he wanted out. Who's to say that it wouldn't have picked up. I can't see a player of that quality staying out of form for so long and in my opinion it wasn't terrible anyway.

Who knows how he would have gone if he had stayed. However after having 3 knee reconstructions I think it was safe to say he was likely to struggle to get back to how he was at his very best.

: Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:18 am  

DILLIGAF wrote:

That was Reardon and Langley wasn't it?


At the time, we all went crazy that the club would offer those 2. In retrospect, it would been a bloody good deal....

I think at the time i was one of the only people unhappy that we didn't see that deal through.

: Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:30 am  

I think all of our actual sales have been justified. But the concept of a selling club itself is outmoded. Its really a question of whether or not we're spending to the cap limit.