Re: Ownership and twists : Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:19 am  

Interesting point in RFL statement was that Mr Green's offer and funding would see the club - "through to the end of the season" - perhaps that the real intent, and not beyond?

If you look at the fixtures unless the team is significantly strengthened I just cannot see us finishing on more than 10 points - which would mean FA and Gutterfax get to keep up their loving relationship in the lower regions!

Re: Ownership and twists : Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:20 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

I thought you'd agreed to shut the love up?

My love cannot be silenced.

[Bullseye]

Re: Ownership and twists : Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:23 am  

Northernrelic wrote:

Interesting point in RFL statement was that Mr Green's offer and funding would see the club - "through to the end of the season" - perhaps that the real intent, and not beyond?

Well spotted. Why would they emphasise "through to the end of the season" ?? Or are you reading too much into it?

I hope the latter but with all that's gone on you have to wonder.

[Bulliac]

Re: Ownership and twists : Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:30 am  

Bullseye wrote:

Well spotted. Why would they emphasise "through to the end of the season" ?? Or are you reading too much into it?

I hope the latter but with all that's gone on you have to wonder.

Have to say I don't trust the authorities one iota but, to be fair, I guess 'up to the end of the season', would count for the foreseeable future. I doubt many clubs can truly show absolutely 'guaranteed' funding beyond the end of the season.

Re: Ownership and twists : Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:38 am  

Bullseye wrote:

Well spotted. Why would they emphasise "through to the end of the season" ?? Or are you reading too much into it?

I hope the latter but with all that's gone on you have to wonder.

I took it to mean that that was as far as their available funds checking was going.

Re: Ownership and twists : Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:44 am  

Bulliac wrote:

Have to say I don't trust the authorities one iota but, to be fair, I guess 'up to the end of the season', would count for the foreseeable future. I doubt many clubs can truly show absolutely 'guaranteed' funding beyond the end of the season.

I agree, especially with two clubs being relegated, and us being one of the favourites. The funding/income required/generated next season is uncertain to say the least.

Whilst I want Mr Green to do everything in his power to give FC and the team the best possible chance of staying up, I also expect there should be thought given to what happens if/when we're relegated (as seems likely atm), in terms of the plan for rebuilding in the championship (have they actually named the new second tier yet by the way??) and how we're going to get back up.

[Bullseye]

Re: Ownership and twists : Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:55 am  

Bulliac wrote:

Have to say I don't trust the authorities one iota but, to be fair, I guess 'up to the end of the season', would count for the foreseeable future. I doubt many clubs can truly show absolutely 'guaranteed' funding beyond the end of the season.

It’s a peculiar phrase to use and implies that after the end of the season things may be uncertain. I suppose if we get relegated that’s a whole new situation so that might be the reason.

Whatever. Green needs to act quickly to re-assure everyone that he’s serious about SL survival. He’s said he is but in the next couple of weeks we need some more bodies on board. Obviously they might be of variable quality but people will make decisions about his intentions based on who comes in.

[Bulliac]

Re: Ownership and twists : Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:56 am  

Duckman wrote:

I agree, especially with two clubs being relegated, and us being one of the favourites. The funding/income required/generated next season is uncertain to say the least.

Whilst I want Mr Green to do everything in his power to give FC and the team the best possible chance of staying up, I also expect there should be thought given to what happens if/when we're relegated (as seems likely atm), in terms of the plan for rebuilding in the championship (have they actually named the new second tier yet by the way??) and how we're going to get back up.

I doubt there will be any getting back up.

If I fully understand the situation the top 'lower division' teams will have to play in a mini league with the bottom SL clubs, with the top clubs from this going into the SL for the following year.

Given the difference in the cap for the clubs, not to mention the advantage of competing in the much higher level of SL for the first half of the season, it would be a major miracle if any of the lower division clubs ended in the top half of this mini league. The first chance of getting back would probably be when the RFL realise it isn't working and bring back licensing, or straight P&R.

Re: Ownership and twists : Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:02 am  

Northernrelic wrote:

Interesting point in RFL statement was that Mr Green's offer and funding would see the club - "through to the end of the season" - perhaps that the real intent, and not beyond?

If you look at the fixtures unless the team is significantly strengthened I just cannot see us finishing on more than 10 points - which would mean FA and Gutterfax get to keep up their loving relationship in the lower regions!

To be fair they only asked lamb to show proof of funding til end of season too.

Re: Ownership and twists : Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:10 am  

M@islebugs wrote:

How many times? There isn't anything to take.

The 2 options are;
1. Invest significant amounts of money to re-establish the team/club/brand to the point where its income matches its expenditure.

2. Fail to invest, get relegated, see income collapse, re-enter administration, lose all monies invested as well as reputation.

You missed the 3rd option out.

3. Cut costs to the bone, including playing staff, and operate for the rest of the season by fielding virtually an academy team and reappropriate the monthly Sky payments (such as they are) elsewhere. Do not pay any suppliers or non-essential bills.

You may not think there is anything to take but there is still a cashflow into the club.

Personally I think it'll be a version of Option 1 he takes, but I think you have it the wrong way around. Rather than putting money in, he'll be taking costs out, even if matching expenditure to income means relegation. This year being relegated is not the end of the world due to the parachute payment for next season and the obvious advantage that brings in trying to get promoted straight away.